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Green Into Europe

By Olde School Ks (OldSchoolKs)27/5 07:03Mon May 27 07:03:06 2019

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With a great week in Europe for our four teams competing for honours the election results accross the Eurozone are showing us going green and here in Blighty the Remain party's picking up more votes then the extreme right of Farage.
Some much depresion and argument but a way forward can always be found and the joys of success in Europe is there.Always stand together for a positive day forward.

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Re: Green Into Europe

By Count Scarlioni27/5 08:14Mon May 27 08:14:40 2019In response to Green Into EuropeTop of thread

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It is very worrying. A party starts and within six weeks wins one in three of every vote and smashes Labour in many of its supposed heartlands.

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Re: Green Into Europe

By a krinkly27/5 08:24Mon May 27 08:24:21 2019In response to Re: Green Into EuropeTop of thread

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Corbin commupance?

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Re: Green Into Europe

By reximus27/5 08:39Mon May 27 08:39:52 2019In response to Re: Green Into EuropeTop of thread

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The European Election results were broadly the same as the Referendum, with a small majority in favour of leaving the EU - proving that what the country really needs is a General Election.

rex

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Re: Green Into Europe

By RichardNW27/5 17:01Mon May 27 17:01:34 2019In response to Re: Green Into EuropeTop of thread

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!/3rd want remain at any cost, 1/3rd want leave at any cost, 1/3rd want something inbetween or don't care.

I don't know how you resolve this because whoever eventually makes the decision is going to piss off a majority of voters- probably close to 2/3rds of them.

General election leaves someone in charge for 5 years on a single issue and also splits parties whose MPs or voters don't agree with their policy on that single issue. PR doesn't change much either as we saw last night.

Referendum question will annoy 1/3rd of the voters whose option wasn't on the ballot paper- leave/remain, leave/deal, remain/deal and annoy another 1/3rd if they lose.

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Re: Green Into Europe

By Olde School Ks (OldSchoolKs)27/5 09:36Mon May 27 09:36:42 2019In response to Re: Green Into EuropeTop of thread

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If only a General Election would change the make up of Parliament that is so fragmented we could then make progress but with wat has materialised now,as you say Rex,is a complete split in the country and if that transforms at a new Parliament then we are back to square 1
If the lying cheater Johnson takes control of the extreme right wing,then one may imagine October 31st will be the day we leave and then anything could happen

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Re: Green Into Europe

By Morgs28/5 15:17Tue May 28 15:17:31 2019In response to Re: Green Into EuropeTop of thread

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😂😂 "Extreme right-wing"😂😂
On a pH scale, BoJo is a 7. 5. Comrade Corbyn is maybe 6.2. No Tory in the parliamentary party is more than an 8.0.
Why do people post this ordure?
It's unsettling that anyone could believe the buffoon is "extreme right-wing".
It's more unsettling that anyone could be sufficiently dismissive of the lower orders to arrogantly assume that the plebs will buy the "extreme right-wing" line, should it be repeated often enough.
Neither scenario is likely to be true. Like a lot of other blatantly preposterous untruths, the "extreme right-wing" line here is used as a "Sieg!" and the sole purpose is to see how impressively the hall reverberates to the thunderous "Heil!" that the assembled ranks of the converted will holler in response.
The propensity of the Stipendiary Parasite class to limit itself and its political discourse to whipping-up emotional fury in the masses is scary.

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Re: Green Into Europe

By Olde School Ks (OldSchoolKs)28/5 15:52Tue May 28 15:52:26 2019In response to Re: Green Into EuropeTop of thread

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To call "Boris" extreme right wing is not being unkind but telling it how it is.
We used to have standards in this country now a soon to be leader who is a serial lier,womaniser and general bounder is looked upon by many as normal.
So thankfull some of us can boast of middle road politics and ways of life.

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Re: Green Into Europe

By reximus28/5 15:57Tue May 28 15:57:07 2019In response to Re: Green Into EuropeTop of thread

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Being a serial liar, womaniser and general bounder really just identifies BoJo as a privileged toff.

What marks him as a right-winger is his racist comments and intimacy with Trump's nut-job Steve Bannon.

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Re: Green Into Europe

By a krinkly28/5 17:55Tue May 28 17:55:02 2019In response to Re: Green Into EuropeTop of thread

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Racism is a trait of the extreme whichever direction it's pointing.

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Re: Green Into Europe

By Morgs28/5 19:17Tue May 28 19:17:48 2019In response to Re: Green Into EuropeTop of thread

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Errrrm... I've never been clear about what "racism" is.
I've certainly never met anyone who genuinely believes All Ethnicities Are Equal.
I don't remember ever encountering a Chinese who'd pigeonhole me more than one notch higher than an ape - justifiably so, given the respective histories of China and Europe - so what the Chinese opinion of sub-Saharan Africans might be is an interesting question.
Still, I'm sure the way forward is via "education" - the "right-thinking" anti-racists always emphasize this.
"Educating" the Chinese that "All Ethnicities Are Equal" could be a tricky matter. Opium is now illegal and our gunboats wouldn't stretch from London Bridge to Tower Bridge so, though it was a piece of cake in the mid-1800s, there could be problems next time.
I will point out again:
Calling the buffoon who was the principal agitator for the mess we are now in "extreme right-wing" is akin to calling Tolfs a "world class goalkeeper" or Mr. Traynor, on his return, "morbidly obese". Whatever the merits of cases either for or against, stating palpable untruths and laughably innacurate exaggerations does not serve the cause of reasoned argument or persuasive debate.

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Re: Green Into Europe

By a krinkly28/5 20:22Tue May 28 20:22:09 2019In response to Re: Green Into EuropeTop of thread

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Agreed genuinely defining racism is tricky, there's that West Indian poet who claims all whites are racist purely because they are white, even his white wife, which is arguably a racist attitude itself. What IS an extremist anyway, intolerance of the views of those not on their particular hymn sheet for starters.

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Re: Green Into Europe

By Ohdear (Ksuals)28/5 21:05Tue May 28 21:05:26 2019In response to Re: Green Into EuropeTop of thread

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Not a good start there Krinks, a bit wooly. There are some views to which intolerance is the only justifiable response.

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Re: Green Into Europe

By reximus28/5 22:24Tue May 28 22:24:45 2019In response to Re: Green Into EuropeTop of thread

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There are some views to which intolerance is the only justifiable response.

The motto of the Milkshake Campaign, "The Revolution will be Pasteurized".

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Re: Green Into Europe

By Iang28/5 15:59Tue May 28 15:59:50 2019In response to Re: Green Into EuropeTop of thread

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We live in a time where Campbell votes the same as Heseltine...

Love Corbyn, hate Brexit - but above all Love the Spurs - Heading off to Madrid via Malaga and no ticket :-)

COYKs

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Re: Green Into Europe

By K's196028/5 16:20Tue May 28 16:20:55 2019In response to Re: Green Into EuropeTop of thread

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Not a Spurs fan, but my money is on them winning.

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Re: Green Into Europe

By Alastair28/5 15:33Tue May 28 15:33:32 2019In response to Re: Green Into EuropeTop of thread

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U okay hun?

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Re: Green Into Europe

By Count Scarlioni27/5 09:20Mon May 27 09:20:27 2019In response to Re: Green Into EuropeTop of thread

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At the last election 85 percent of the votes were cast in favour of parties promising to leave the EU.

I think the most likely outcome is a new PM who will say we are leaving on 31 October deal or no deal. May’s Withdrawal Agreement is not an option anymore. The Remaining majority in the House of Commons will win a vote of no confidence to stop a WTO Brexit. So you will get your wish I think.

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Re: Green Into Europe

By reximus27/5 11:20Mon May 27 11:20:24 2019In response to Re: Green Into EuropeTop of thread

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Let's assume no deal is agreed in Parliament before 31st October.

Wouldn't a vote of No Confidence most likely lead to us withdrawing Article 50?

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Re: Green Into Europe

By Ohdear (Ksuals)27/5 15:13Mon May 27 15:13:16 2019In response to Re: Green Into EuropeTop of thread

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If no deal passed by parliament,how likely would parliament pass a no confidence vote if that meant withdrawing Article 50.

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Re: Green Into Europe

By Olde School Ks (OldSchoolKs)27/5 08:38Mon May 27 08:38:45 2019In response to Re: Green Into EuropeTop of thread

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Well thank goodness May is almost over and we can look forward again with new faces and new thoughts on the way out of the mess.
If you dont look at the shambles we have and look to a new way forward,we are sunk.

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