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Grays expelled from FA Cup

By Taimour (WeHateWombles)20/9 13:49Fri Sep 20 13:49:23 2019

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https://www.graysathletic.co.uk/news/club-statement-2467939.html

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By ollie20/9 16:24Fri Sep 20 16:24:40 2019In response to Grays expelled from FA CupTop of thread

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Did he play for them in the PSF against us? Will we be appealing that result?

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By frankie6820/9 13:52Fri Sep 20 13:52:35 2019In response to Grays expelled from FA CupTop of thread

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do we still get the prize money?

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By Taimour (WeHateWombles)20/9 13:58Fri Sep 20 13:58:17 2019In response to Re: Grays expelled from FA CupTop of thread

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Will we definitely get a bye?

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By David Crawt20/9 14:09Fri Sep 20 14:09:47 2019In response to Re: Grays expelled from FA CupTop of thread

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How sure are you about that?

Surely Heybridge Swifts will have a case to be reinstated which could mean K's playing them instead on a date to be arranged.

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By KsOllie20/9 14:21Fri Sep 20 14:21:19 2019In response to Re: Grays expelled from FA CupTop of thread

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Apparently March Town will get reinstated ( a team playing in the thurlow Nunn Division 1. Step 10 of the football pyramid, who are based in March Cambridgeshire.)

We could be on for a bit of congestion on the fixture list. Harringey game could be pushed back

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By David Crawt20/9 14:46Fri Sep 20 14:46:39 2019In response to Re: Grays expelled from FA CupTop of thread

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Yes, I see that now. I didn't realise that the infringement took place a couple of rounds back so, it is most likely that March Town will be reinstated.

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By BE20/9 14:48Fri Sep 20 14:48:37 2019In response to Re: Grays expelled from FA CupTop of thread

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What about League matches played?

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By Taimour (WeHateWombles)20/9 14:06Fri Sep 20 14:06:21 2019In response to Re: Grays expelled from FA CupTop of thread

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No text

Edited by WeHateWombles at 14:06:49 on 20th September 2019

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By BE20/9 16:49Fri Sep 20 16:49:44 2019In response to Re: Grays expelled from FA CupTop of thread

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He is at Merstham now! Came on as a sub for Grays against March Town in FA Cup. Not been cleared Internationally.

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By David Crawt20/9 19:04Fri Sep 20 19:04:21 2019In response to Re: Grays expelled from FA CupTop of thread

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He didn't play against March Town. The offence was committed in the previous round game against Heybridge Swifts so, really it should be them reinstated.
However, because another round has been played now, it's too late for that to happen so March get the nod instead.

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By Morgs21/9 00:33Sat Sep 21 00:33:27 2019In response to Re: Grays expelled from FA CupTop of thread

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Unlucky for Grays that the bloke has been playing elsewhere with no IC. If the player was turning-out at a level more-or-less below the radar, that's not really their secretary's fault.
The number of times I've heard tales from secretaries who've asked a player, "Have you played in a Mickey Mouse Cup game this season?", got a resounding "No", then checked to find the twit appeared in the Mickey Mouse Cup for his former club less than a month ago!
Football can rail all it likes against discrimination and stereotyping, but "Footballers are thick!" is a more accurate generalisation than almost any similar sweeping condemnation of any social group.
March Town being reinstated is somewhat odd!
I'm sure their players are enjoying ringing their employers to ask for a half-day off at almost no notice.

Edited by Morgs at 00:34:14 on 21st September 2019
Edited by Morgs at 00:34:54 on 21st September 2019

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By JamieB (jmbrilley)21/9 11:41Sat Sep 21 11:41:04 2019In response to Re: Grays expelled from FA CupTop of thread

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It was to do with playing abroad. So easier for a secretary to say and check if they've recieved international clearance. The two clubs he played for beforehand also made the same mistake. Due diligence wasn't carried out and they got burnt. When I was an employer I had to make sure the person I was employing had the right to work, if they did not I would be fined. I think the punishment is harsh personally for Grays but I bet they won't make that mistake again.

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By Morgs21/9 17:55Sat Sep 21 17:55:13 2019In response to Re: Grays expelled from FA CupTop of thread

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True - and I was just giving the cup eligibility example as an illustration of how awkward a secretary's job can be made by players - but International Clearance for a Division Eight footballer isn't quite the same thing as checking passports, work permits, licenses, insurance, vehicle documents, relevant certificates, professional qualifications or trade memberships, etc, is it? That lot's standard with employers these days and most of those pieces of paper have expiry dates.

The vast majority of players at this level will never need IC. This type of thing has happened quite a lot over the past 15 years - as the Wombles will attest - but thinking about IC when you sign an English player from just up the road may not occur to some otherwise diligent secretaries. I've genuinely never considered whether, "Have you ever played abroad?" should be on the list of essential questions asked by secretaries at this level, but I suppose it should. I wouldn't put it past some players to give an incorrect answer to the question.

Domestic eligibility, whether that's a matter of regulations, registration or disciplinary records, can almost always be verified online nowadays (though finding the relevant pages can be difficult) but I very much doubt that International Clearance is so easy to check. It's seemingly not unusual for secretaries to have severe difficulty in contacting the Ungobungistan FA by e-mail or telex.
As far as I'm aware, International Clearance is granted automatically by The FA after a short period of time, in the event that evidence of unavailing attempts to elicit communication from the Ungobungistan FA is provided... but that's not going to get Grays off the hook here.

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By SDG (SDG (Ks))21/9 12:39Sat Sep 21 12:39:02 2019In response to Re: Grays expelled from FA CupTop of thread

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I feel sorry for Grays, too often teams get thrown out over obscure rules. It's not really the point to just say they should do due diligence, the point is that clubs are run by volunteers, and the FA don't do anywhere near enough to make that due diligence easy. Bear in mind the club has to do all the right to work checks you had to do as well, and tax, payroll, etc, for (if you have a manager like Dynan) up to 70 or 80 players in a season. And that's no one's day job, it's a hard pressed volunteer trying to juggle it with their own day job, their family and whatever else they're doing in their life.

The FA could make the whole thing a lot easier but they don't. They should just have a database of players and when you register someone it should flag if they need international clearance, or are suspended, or have an unpaid fine, or whatever other nonsense teams have their cup dreams ruined for. Then the due diligence is easy. But they don't do that, they leave it to hard pressed volunteers and players who don't know the rules (who honestly knew you needed international clearance to play college football) and time and again people understandably get caught out. The whole thing is so antiquated considering how awash football is with money - with the worst example being that £100m transfers are still registered by fax machine.

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By K's196022/9 10:55Sun Sep 22 10:55:34 2019In response to Re: Grays expelled from FA CupTop of thread

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I like the point you made about volunteers. Where would clubs be without them ? The FA could have turned a blind eye and given the club a warning. The FA would say "Rules are Rules"

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By Gazza5622/9 12:38Sun Sep 22 12:38:05 2019In response to Re: Grays expelled from FA CupTop of thread

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Hi
Thought you might like the views of a Grays supporter about the shambles that has gone on ...we signed the player in question after he had played for 2 other clubs and he even played in the FA trophy last season (not picked up by the FA) so the 2 other clubs go unpunished and the player goes unpunished .So although the "professional" at the FA failed to do their jobs last season the voulteers at Grays get hammered .The FA could have fined us but no they go overboard and take the money of us and kick us out the cup "FAIR" !!!!!! Yes we are angry but the chin less suits won't break us because we have had worse and will bounce back .

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By John Bangs22/9 13:21Sun Sep 22 13:21:12 2019In response to Re: Grays expelled from FA CupTop of thread

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Judging by postings here and other conversations, I think most Ks fans feel this was very unfair. I was certainly looking forward to your visit this afternoon. Incredibly, instead we have a mid week visit from a club from Step 10! Rediculous!

Good luck for the rest of the season.

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By reximus22/9 16:23Sun Sep 22 16:23:36 2019In response to Re: Grays expelled from FA CupTop of thread

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I think most Ks fans feel this was very unfair.

Except probably Taimour who, in keeping with the laws of reverse Reaganomics, wants every other non-league club to fail.

rex

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By ollie22/9 18:10Sun Sep 22 18:10:03 2019In response to Re: Grays expelled from FA CupTop of thread

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I think more of our fans will become less sympathetic when this starts to impact our own fixture list. For example, I've had trains for Haringey booked for a number of weeks now - if that game comes under threat that's money down the drain for me on what was a very 'safe' game to book up for

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By reximus22/9 18:57Sun Sep 22 18:57:08 2019In response to Re: Grays expelled from FA CupTop of thread

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Surely you don't expect the officials at the FA to care about the feelings, expenses or convenience of ordinary supporters when enforcing "rules is rules"?

rex

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By RichardNW28/9 12:44Sat Sep 28 12:44:36 2019In response to Re: Grays expelled from FA CupTop of thread

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They might make an exception on Liverpool's case of course:

https://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/fa-league-cups/liverpool-efl-cup-news-latest-ineligible-player-mk-dons-a9124051.html

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By K's196028/9 16:54Sat Sep 28 16:54:50 2019In response to Re: Grays expelled from FA CupTop of thread

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https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/49862651 if there was this alternative for Grays then why wasn't it used ?

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By ollie22/9 19:37Sun Sep 22 19:37:47 2019In response to Re: Grays expelled from FA CupTop of thread

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Exactly - so why are Grays bothering?!

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By reximus22/9 22:10Sun Sep 22 22:10:18 2019In response to Re: Grays expelled from FA CupTop of thread

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I'm sure their supporters would expect them to appeal. And besides, all protest is valid, however hopeless.

rex

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By Gary (gekins)21/9 22:34Sat Sep 21 22:34:31 2019In response to Re: Grays expelled from FA CupTop of thread

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£100m transfers are still registered by fax machine

They're not. Haven't been for several years.

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By supahoops722/9 07:05Sun Sep 22 07:05:55 2019In response to Re: Grays expelled from FA CupTop of thread

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Feel a bit sorry for them, especially as they are recent recipients
of a 'community club' award. They have decent people running their
club, as do we. Honest mistake, secretaries nightmare with zero guidance
from the FA. I'd imagine Heybridge feel a bit aggrieved that we'll face March town
and not them. All a bit confusing.

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By RichardNW22/9 13:56Sun Sep 22 13:56:13 2019In response to Re: Grays expelled from FA CupTop of thread

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The Grays Chairman's statement suggests an appeal:

https://www.graysathletic.co.uk/news/chairmans-statement-re-fa-charge-and-cup-expulsion--2467951.html

"However, it is what it is and we remain hopeful that we can overturn the verdict at a subsequent appeal."

Will this affect the Wednesday scheduled match?

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By K's196023/9 08:48Mon Sep 23 08:48:50 2019In response to Re: Grays expelled from FA CupTop of thread

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and what will the FA do? sweet FA

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By supahoops722/9 14:07Sun Sep 22 14:07:33 2019In response to Re: Grays expelled from FA CupTop of thread

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In the scheme of things I would expect Grays to go through
procedure of appeal. What I don't get is the 'timeline' in all this.
If the appeal isn't upheld, our boys and March towns boys have
little or no time to re-arrange work commitments to play at short
notice. Also, wouldn't Heybridge have a right to claim reinstatement
as Grays eliminated them in the last round?
Either I'm confused or the FA are really out of line with this ruling.

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By Max Hustwick Teenage Fan Club (MHTFC)22/9 23:16Sun Sep 22 23:16:03 2019In response to Re: Grays expelled from FA CupTop of thread

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Feel really sorry for the Gray's Secretary, Janet Packer, in all this. I often contact clubs ahead of matches for any details that I'm short of in the matchday programme. I contacted Grays last weekend, and Janet replied within two hours and arranged for the details that I requested to be sent to me - which they duly were.

In recent weeks I have also had reason to request information from both Huddersfield Town and Queen of the South - but didn't even get the decency of an answer!

It's a thankless task being any sort of official in a 'small' club - why the hell do they bother?

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