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A death in Newcastle

By Olde School Ks (OldSchoolKs)2/6 14:07Tue Jun 2 14:07:34 2020

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Hate it when Rex is right so pleased its rare but when I said yesterday thats its great to see some sports back my friend and foe said he was sorry about racing because of the horse fatalities.
Thought it a strange one when racing was on the flat but blow me down a freak collision and we had a fatality.
Must point out though that if we had no racing those horses,much loved,would not be around anyway.Its like saying if we were all veggies there would be no cows in the fields.

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Re: A death in Newcastle

By reximus2/6 14:53Tue Jun 2 14:53:19 2020In response to A death in NewcastleTop of thread

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Nothing freakish about a horse dying in flat racing; it accounts for c. 20% of all race horse deaths in the UK. Last year there were AT LEAST 186 recorded deaths. (The published figures for race horse deaths are obviously a massive under-estimate.)

Race horses are built for speed and lightness; the demands placed upon them by competitive racing results in bleeding lungs (Exercise-Induced Pulmonary Haemorrhage), found in 82% of all race horses over three years of age and which can cause blood to leak from the nostrils, and gastric ulcers, present in no fewer than 93% of horses in training, and in whom the condition gets progressively worse. When horses are retired, the condition improves.

#YouBetTheyDie

rex

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Re: A death in Newcastle

By Olde School Ks (OldSchoolKs)2/6 15:21Tue Jun 2 15:21:47 2020In response to Re: A death in NewcastleTop of thread

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Dont disagree but remember they (the horses) are only there because of the racing.

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Re: A death in Newcastle

By reximus2/6 15:54Tue Jun 2 15:54:46 2020In response to Re: A death in NewcastleTop of thread

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A circular argument: one in which you end with what you are trying to prove. Evidentially true but logically a fallacy.

(E.g it was once claimed there was no racism in South African rugby: there were no black players and black supporters, so how could there be racism?!)

rex

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FAO Olde School Ks (A death in Kempton)

By reximus24/6 22:52Wed Jun 24 22:52:44 2020In response to Re: A death in NewcastleTop of thread

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Another of your 'freakish' accidents, the death of a horse in flat racing.

On the first of June, at Kempton, a six year old gelding from Ireland, named December Second. Cause of death: Clipped Heels and Fell - Fatally Injured.

You probably won't have read about it in any of the papers. It probably wasn't mentioned on ITV or Sky Racing.

#YouBetTheyDie

rex

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Re: FAO Olde School Ks (A death in Kempton)

By Iang25/6 15:53Thu Jun 25 15:53:56 2020In response to FAO Olde School Ks (A death in Kempton)Top of thread

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Bloody hell - I gave up fishing and my interest in National Hunt racing and going to the dogs - now the flat - Next it'll be witch dunking - I'm not for this era...

And I've been a pescatarian for the past 15 days

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Re: FAO Olde School Ks (A death in Kempton)

By Olde School Ks (OldSchoolKs)25/6 22:07Thu Jun 25 22:07:40 2020In response to Re: FAO Olde School Ks (A death in Kempton)Top of thread

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Was waching some racing but football back now.
Derby and Oaks next Saturday so could be a mixture of football and racing.
No horses die in the Derby unless someone gets down to Tattenham Corner and runs in front of the Queens mare.

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Re: FAO Olde School Ks (A death in Kempton)

By reximus26/6 09:02Fri Jun 26 09:02:39 2020In response to Re: FAO Olde School Ks (A death in Kempton)Top of thread

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No horses die in the Derby unless blah blah

Such ill-judged flippancy. I'm actually quite shocked that you'd be so crass to post something like that without even bothering to check your facts.

Two horses have died in the Derby this century alone. Coshocton had to be destroyed on the racecourse in 2002. And, quite famously, Hoatio Nelson in 2006 after sustaining "horrific injuries, including fractured cannon and sesamoid bones, a dislocated fetlock joint and open wounds that exposed severe damage to blood vessels, nerves and ligaments". He had been the top-rated 2 year old in Europe the previous year.

https://www.animalaid.org.uk/horse-race-industry-turmoil-derby-death/

#YouBetTheyDie

rex

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Re: FAO Olde School Ks (A death in Kempton)

By Olde School Ks (OldSchoolKs)26/6 19:54Fri Jun 26 19:54:21 2020In response to Re: FAO Olde School Ks (A death in Kempton)Top of thread

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Well hope you feel better now you have told us two horses that would not have been born without racing have died in 20 years.
It is sad for all concerned especially the poor beast but now with those tragedies in mind I can look forward to the Derby next week before I settle for the following Chelsea v Watford where I hope will be tragedy free

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Re: FAO Olde School Ks (A death in Newcastle, Wolverhampton, Doncaster, Kempton & Haydock)

By reximus30/6 13:28Tue Jun 30 13:28:13 2020In response to Re: FAO Olde School Ks (A death in Kempton)Top of thread

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It's not just those two in 20 years, is it?

Five horses have died this month alone, all in flat racing.

01 Jun: December Second (IRE), Newcastle AW. Clipped Heels and Fell - Fatally Injured - Destroyed
10 Jun: Relaunch (IRE), Wolverhampton. Broke Hind Leg - Destroyed
14 Jun: Blakes Vision (IRE), Doncaster Flat. Pulled Up - Injured - Destroyed
20 Jun: Red Armour, Kempton AW. Broke Down - Fatally Injured - Destroyed
24 Jun: Sovereign Grant, Haydock Flat. Pulled Up - Fatally Injured - Destroyed

Not so 'freakish' is it? You bet - they die.

rex

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Re: FAO Olde School Ks (A death in Newcastle, Wolverhampton, Doncaster, Kempton & Haydock)

By Olde School Ks (OldSchoolKs)1/7 20:18Wed Jul 1 20:18:42 2020In response to Re: FAO Olde School Ks (A death in Newcastle, Wolverhampton, Doncaster, Kempton & Haydock)Top of thread

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Yep got it Rex and not happy but I shall still watch the Derby and Oaks this Saturday.
A lot of people would ask ....is there anymore one could do but however tragic it might be you dont ban cars when you have death on the road but you try and curtail the problem all you can.

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Re: FAO Olde School Ks (A death in Newcastle, Wolverhampton, Doncaster, Kempton & Haydock)

By reximus1/7 21:58Wed Jul 1 21:58:17 2020In response to Re: FAO Olde School Ks (A death in Newcastle, Wolverhampton, Doncaster, Kempton & Haydock)Top of thread

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Moral relativism and you compare horse-racing with cars (which have enormous social utility, despite environmental problems)? I think bear-baiting would be a better comparison: animal abuse for the benefit of the gambling industry (which causes social harm).

But you ask: Is there more anyone could do?

1. Industry transparency. Too little is known about the true nature and extent of injuries and deaths of horses which in turn affects the ‘wastage’ rate and fate of racehorses. 

2. Inadequate regulation. Horse racing largely governs itself in terms of animal welfare through Govt sanctioned industry bodies. Without independent inspections, significant welfare issues continue undetected. 

3. Lack of enforceable standards. There are no mandatory welfare standards for racehorses. Other areas, where animals are used such as farming and animal research, have specified welfare standards which must be adhered to. 

4. Jumps racing. Such an obvious one. Jumps racing involves horses racing at speed, over long distances over numerous obstacles. Many countries have banned racing over fences altogether.

5. Painful devices. Whips have no place in a "sport". Neither have spurs nor tongue-ties.

6. Doping. The racing industry must undertake more vigorous testing and impose harsher penalties to deter ‘doping’.

7. Racing immature horses. Racing immature horses (e.g. two-year-olds) should be banned and an independent veterinary assessment done to verify that a horse has matured satisfactorily before entering a race.

8. Oversupply of racehorses. The racing industry depends on breeding a high number of horses and a high turn-over rate. Horses may leave the racing industry at any stage of their life, as foals, during training, during their racing career or when they retire. When horses leave racing prematurely, this is often described as ‘wastage’. The fate of thousands of horses leaving the industry every year raises serious concerns for their welfare. (See also Industry Transparency and Inadequate Regulation, above.)

To be fair, these problems isn't unique to horse-racing. Greyhounds suffer the same fate.

You bet. They die.

Couldn't you just bet on a coin toss, instead?

rex

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Re: FAO Olde School Ks (A death in Newcastle, Wolverhampton, Doncaster, Kempton & Haydock)

By Olde School Ks (OldSchoolKs)2/7 07:56Thu Jul 2 07:56:06 2020In response to Re: FAO Olde School Ks (A death in Newcastle, Wolverhampton, Doncaster, Kempton & Haydock)Top of thread

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No problem with me on your comments which if not being looked at,then they certainly should and producing a top animal for benefit of the punter without welfare standards to the highest degree is an outrage and not enough to say its better than it was.
Maybe better tackled with those on the inside,the trainers who dont want to lose expensive animals and jockeys who dont want to get injured but the problem once again is too much in the hands of the money men and in this case the betting industry which is rotten to the core and thrives in human weekness

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Re: FAO Olde School Ks (A death in Newcastle, Wolverhampton, Doncaster, Kempton & Haydock)

By reximus2/7 08:26Thu Jul 2 08:26:48 2020In response to Re: FAO Olde School Ks (A death in Newcastle, Wolverhampton, Doncaster, Kempton & Haydock)Top of thread

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producing an animal for benefit of the punter

is the very definition of animal abuse

the problem once again is too much in the hands of the money men and in this case the betting industry which is rotten to the core and thrives in human weekness

which you support with every bet you place.

You bet. They die.

rex

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