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By BE11/11/2020 19:46Wed Nov 11 19:46:54 2020

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Has anybody heard about this? According to a work colleague the Council are proposing a housing development in Chessington next to the A3 to include a sports facility ( football ground?)

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By berlioz12/11/2020 08:09Thu Nov 12 08:09:20 2020In response to RBK new developmentTop of thread

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This one?

https://www.surreycomet.co.uk/news/18779532.consultation-2-500-home-plan-chessington-green-belt/

Its the area with the used cars and caravans you can see from Clayton Road bridge.

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By Ali (ali.kazemi)12/11/2020 10:45Thu Nov 12 10:45:30 2020In response to Re: RBK new developmentTop of thread

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Interesting site that, based on what their video shows, could really do with some TLC.

Looks like it's just round the back of King Edward's Rec and Kingston Rugby Club.

Doesn't seem to be any strong indication that we're involved, though maybe there is still an opportunity to get involved:
"Consolidating and improving the existing sports facilities and providing new and upgraded local amenities"

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By John Bangs12/11/2020 19:01Thu Nov 12 19:01:15 2020In response to Re: RBK new developmentTop of thread

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The site is not particularly accessible in terms of public transport. It is by no means certain that approval would be forthcoming as it is on Green Belt land. Personally I very much doubt it. Even if they managed to get approval, this would take years to come to fruition and so this seems of little relevance.

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By Olde School Ks (OldSchoolKs)12/11/2020 21:12Thu Nov 12 21:12:09 2020In response to Re: RBK new developmentTop of thread

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Wouldnt say Casuals is particualy accessible eithet and not sure wat land it is on.
Green belt is possible to build on but many many restrictions and would be nothing of substance.

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By Nick Garland12/11/2020 22:50Thu Nov 12 22:50:02 2020In response to Re: RBK new developmentTop of thread

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The bar for developing on the green belt is very high, the Mayor of London will only approve under ‘very special circumstances’. A non league football stadium would not come close to meeting that test.

I assumed the council owned the freehold for KGF?

Edited by Nick Garland at 22:55:43 on 12th November 2020

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By berlioz13/11/2020 08:30Fri Nov 13 08:30:59 2020In response to Re: RBK new developmentTop of thread

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Although there is an election soon and maybe the mayor will tweak his promises regarding green belt land he does have housing targets to meet after all and building on green belt land that is full of used cars is probably justifiable.

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By reximus14/11/2020 16:02Sat Nov 14 16:02:17 2020In response to Re: RBK new developmentTop of thread

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Respectfully, I think there's some confusion in this thread between green belt policy, and land situated within/surrounded by a green belt area. Clearly this specific piece of land, whilst in a green belt area, has already been built upon.

Re-wilding, on the other hand...

rex

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By Nick Garland14/11/2020 15:23Sat Nov 14 15:23:39 2020In response to Re: RBK new developmentTop of thread

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Wouldn’t that be creating a perverse incentive to partially spoil part of a green belt area and then say well it’s a bit damaged anyway why not get rid of it?

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By reximus12/11/2020 19:06Thu Nov 12 19:06:03 2020In response to Re: RBK new developmentTop of thread

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Back to the sport of idle speculation on Ks future home...

What does anyone know about the Deckers Sports Ground at Tolworth, home to the Goals 5-a-side pitches? There seems to be plenty of land, parking, easy rail and road access. You could argue that being home to football facilities already, it would stand a far chance of planning permission for a small stadium. Of course, I don't know who owns the land.

Edit: also the home of Old Harrovians AFC. [Nope, me neither.]

As Harrow Chequers FC in those days, one of their players, Morton Betts, is remembered for scoring the first (and only) goal in the first ever FA Cup Final in 1872.

https://www.ohafc.com/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harrow_Chequers_F.C.

rex

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By reximus12/11/2020 11:01Thu Nov 12 11:01:03 2020In response to Re: RBK new developmentTop of thread

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How accessible is the site by public transport?

rex

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By old and grey13/11/2020 17:20Fri Nov 13 17:20:05 2020In response to Re: RBK new developmentTop of thread

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35% of GREEN BELT land is used for ECOLOGICALY DAMAGING INTENSIVE FARMING.
Within the GL boundary 22% of land is GB, only 22% of that is PUBLIC LAND,of that
7.01% of the land is used for GOLF COURSES.
In ENGLAND 13% of all land is green belt,originally meant to be no more than 2 miles
wide it is now 30,thats 1,639,560 hectares equating to 13% of land mass.

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By Olde School Ks (OldSchoolKs)13/11/2020 17:51Fri Nov 13 17:51:17 2020In response to Re: RBK new developmentTop of thread

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Wow that is super informative.
Thanks and interesting indeed

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By ollie12/11/2020 11:17Thu Nov 12 11:17:09 2020In response to Re: RBK new developmentTop of thread

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Longer walk from a station (chezzy north), shorter walk from a bus stop vs our current rental agreement.

About the same-ish distance from the town we take our name from, which incidentally already has two stadiums built there.

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By berlioz12/11/2020 11:16Thu Nov 12 11:16:58 2020In response to Re: RBK new developmentTop of thread

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That area of Clayton Road is about 10-15 mins walk from the 71 Hook Library bus stop. The Rugby club entrance is a bit nearer from the North Star bus stop for the 71

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By Olde School Ks (OldSchoolKs)11/11/2020 20:56Wed Nov 11 20:56:11 2020In response to RBK new developmentTop of thread

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Yes its the one we have been talking about our board wont comment on.
Feeling is there could well be something in it but not sure it will be anytime soon and may be nothing in it anyway.
Sure its not a signed deal if its anything so dont think in fairness the board will offer anything at this time so lets just say its interesting and keep watching and listening

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By K's196012/11/2020 09:04Thu Nov 12 09:04:54 2020In response to Re: RBK new developmentTop of thread

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If memory serves a few years ago there was talk of another site in Chessington and I think that came to nothing too.

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By Olde School Ks (OldSchoolKs)12/11/2020 11:01Thu Nov 12 11:01:54 2020In response to Re: RBK new developmentTop of thread

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Dont think the previous site is out the equasion just yet.If these things happen it will take time.

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By old and grey12/11/2020 16:14Thu Nov 12 16:14:09 2020In response to Re: RBK new developmentTop of thread

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Do you remember the presentation model we had a viewing
of at KINGSMEADOW a season or so before we left.
That was the proposed regeneration of the GOLF CLUB
opposite CHESS SOUTH STN,the proposal was for housing
a swimming pool and football ground that was to be our
new home, it seems to have disappeared off the radar a good
few years ago.
Is JOHN TOLLEY still around,if so as a LIB DEM councillor can
he shed any light on this.

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By John Bangs12/11/2020 17:55Thu Nov 12 17:55:15 2020In response to Re: RBK new developmentTop of thread

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My understanding is that the Mayor of London would not approve the development on Green Belt land which is why it fell through. The Mayor has a clear policy against approving developments on Green Belt land.

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By old and grey13/11/2020 14:25Fri Nov 13 14:25:37 2020In response to Re: RBK new developmentTop of thread

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So it's O K to build a GOLF COURSE on green belt for
the few but GENGHIS KHAN does not think the same
when much needed housing is proposed or a much
needed SWIMMING POOL for that area or a COMMUNITY
FOOTBALL STADIUM,SOME green belt land will eventually
have to be put aside for building projects.

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By Nick Garland14/11/2020 15:43Sat Nov 14 15:43:23 2020In response to Re: RBK new developmentTop of thread

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My understanding is that Mayor Khan’s policy is marginally more protective than national planning policy but not by much (Tory shire councils also at least as protective). National policy presumes protection of the green belt and the bar is pretty high for development.

I don’t understand the argument that a golf course is for the few but a non league football stadium isn’t? To put it in perspective, Kingstonian’s average crowd is around 350 out of a borough population of 175,000.

Edited by Nick Garland at 15:44:21 on 14th November 2020
Edited by Nick Garland at 15:49:18 on 14th November 2020

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By John Bangs13/11/2020 19:06Fri Nov 13 19:06:07 2020In response to Re: RBK new developmentTop of thread

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I don’t make the planning rules but all I am saying is that this development plan is fairly unlikely to succeed .

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By jon tolley17/11/2020 21:07Tue Nov 17 21:07:28 2020In response to Re: RBK new developmentTop of thread

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Afaik this is nothing to do with any football club

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By John Bangs17/11/2020 22:01Tue Nov 17 22:01:28 2020In response to Re: RBK new developmentTop of thread

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Thanks Jon.

I’ve checked and Ks have no involvement and I don’t think there is reason to think we would be.

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By a krinkly13/11/2020 16:05Fri Nov 13 16:05:09 2020In response to Re: RBK new developmentTop of thread

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1 in 200 men are direct descendants of Ghengis Khan......

https://www.discovermagazine.com/the-sciences/1-in-200-men-direct-descendants-of-genghis-khan

So that means at least one K's fan could be a descendant, who knows it might be you!

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By Haver of thoughts13/11/2020 15:29Fri Nov 13 15:29:36 2020In response to Re: RBK new developmentTop of thread

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You're thinking of Sadiq Khan. Ghengis Khan was a 12/13th century Mongol emperor unlikely to have given much thought to the green belt.

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By K's196013/11/2020 16:16Fri Nov 13 16:16:39 2020In response to Re: RBK new developmentTop of thread

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Yes, but were they K's fans ? Khosla was the nearest thing to Ghengis, I think a distant relative.

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By David Crawt13/11/2020 14:39Fri Nov 13 14:39:55 2020In response to Re: RBK new developmentTop of thread

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I was born in Chessington and the land on which Chessington Golf Centre was built was land I used to play on.
That land is ‘Green Belt’ but I believe a golf course was allowed since the only actual structure built on it was the Clubhouse & Car Park.

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By Olde School Ks (OldSchoolKs)13/11/2020 16:46Fri Nov 13 16:46:11 2020In response to Re: RBK new developmentTop of thread

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I think Mr Crawt hits the nail on the head and however much housing maybe needed you do not build on green belt land and not do we want to.A simple structure on a golf coarse you may get away with as at Wibundune on Common land.
Of housing,just how short are we ?
How many properties are 2nd homes ?
How many empty homes exist ?
Solve these problems and you will be some way to solving the problem but by no means the complete answer.
Bit like saying there is plenty of good in the country but some are starving

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