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Sssssssoooooooooo We’re are in major trouble, right

By KsOllie2/1/2023 17:58Mon Jan 2 17:58:21 2023

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We’re 1 points of the relegation place & given today’s performance I honestly can’t see where our next point or win will come from.

We looked alright on Carshalton but today but today was AWFUL

Edited by KsOllie at 18:12:17 on 2nd January 2023

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Re: Sssssssoooooooooo We’re are in major trouble

By supahoops72/1/2023 18:37Mon Jan 2 18:37:44 2023In response to Sssssssoooooooooo We’re are in major trouble, rightTop of thread

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Well done to all who turned out to support the Ks today. We were very poor 1st half and Ogunseye, Bancroft and Evans
were surprisingly ineffective, leaving Boachie and Bonnet-Johnson to create the chances we did have. We literally got caught twice by a very physical Casuals side that defended with bodies in the way and a keeper that had a magnificent game.
We were more direct 2nd half and created a host of chances.
Apart from the goals, our defence looked solid and Joe Boachie is a class act that should be playing at a much higher level.
I hope he stays with us. Yes, you are right, we have finally been sucked into a relegation fight. I think we have an even chance of survival. Margate and Bognor are within reach and are not in good shape. Eight or nine teams are going to be involved in the fight. Berating the manager and players at the end when they came over to applaud our support was a bit harsh.
We weren't that poor.

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Re: Sssssssoooooooooo We’re are in major trouble

By FOLEY2/1/2023 18:48Mon Jan 2 18:48:08 2023In response to Re: Sssssssoooooooooo We’re are in major troubleTop of thread

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I thought Owen and SBJ cannot play together same players and there was no energy in midfield we need another midfield that buzzes around.

We also need a true number 9.

Casuals wanted it more today.

Declan I thought played very well but other than that was a poor performance.

As for getting new players - don't think it is that easy as we have to release if we get new players and keep chopping and changing at this stage I do not think that will help.

As for Owen how are pro clubs looking at him ? I really don't know he runs into trouble and trys the same trick everytime by trying to roll a player easy to cotton onto after a while

As far as I can see we are in the dog fight gents and it's going to be a long hard fight till the end of the season - I DO HOPE I AM WRONG

Rant over

Edited by FOLEY at 18:49:42 on 2nd January 2023

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Re: Sssssssoooooooooo We’re are in major trouble

By MC3/1/2023 13:15Tue Jan 3 13:15:33 2023In response to Re: Sssssssoooooooooo We’re are in major troubleTop of thread

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I think the poiint about SBJ and Owen is a good one.

I like both players but they're both midfielders who like to get up and down. They both seem a bit constrained at the moment. Owens was more effective when he played with Beaney who sat deep. There was also at least one game when he was pushed forward to the top of midfield, that's where he can do damage.

Joachie looks a good player though.

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Re: Sssssssoooooooooo We’re are in major trouble, right

By DaveK (Haver of thoughts)2/1/2023 18:25Mon Jan 2 18:25:14 2023In response to Sssssssoooooooooo We’re are in major trouble, rightTop of thread

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Today was dreadful. Casuals weren't even that good.

Herne Bay and Wingate are now must wins considering our other January fixtures which I hold little hope of us getting much out of.

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Re: Sssssssoooooooooo We’re are in major trouble, right

By Kingting (Ksuals)2/1/2023 19:26Mon Jan 2 19:26:00 2023In response to Re: Sssssssoooooooooo We’re are in major trouble, rightTop of thread

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Wasn't today supposed to be a must win game'?
If you lose a must win game' how come there then is more?

Ksuals

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Re: Sssssssoooooooooo We’re are in major trouble, right

By Filipo2/1/2023 18:32Mon Jan 2 18:32:00 2023In response to Re: Sssssssoooooooooo We’re are in major trouble, rightTop of thread

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The director of football and the manager need to go!

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Re: Sssssssoooooooooo We’re are in major trouble, right

By Gary (gekins)2/1/2023 20:20Mon Jan 2 20:20:24 2023In response to Re: Sssssssoooooooooo We’re are in major trouble, rightTop of thread

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I think turning on the not-Director of Football at the end was weird. It’s not all his fault - the entire board need to carry the can for this mess.

What upset me the most was that we almost certainly won’t get a bigger crowd than this all season, but those who came today saw a totally inept performance (apart from the last ten minutes) against a team below us in the table. Nothing that happened today will encourage any of those people to return to Mitcham.

The problems on the pitch are worrying and immediate, but the biggest threat to this club is the ground situation, and there is still no communication about it. Something needs to change at the top. Soon.

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Re: Sssssssoooooooooo We’re are in major trouble, right

By jon tolley2/1/2023 21:59Mon Jan 2 21:59:38 2023In response to Re: Sssssssoooooooooo We’re are in major trouble, rightTop of thread

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interesting to see this on the terrace today..

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Re: Sssssssoooooooooo We’re are in major trouble, right

By DaveK (Haver of thoughts)2/1/2023 22:40Mon Jan 2 22:40:08 2023In response to Re: Sssssssoooooooooo We’re are in major trouble, rightTop of thread

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What league do we play in at the athletics track?

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Re: Sssssssoooooooooo We’re are in major trouble, right

By KsOllie3/1/2023 00:50Tue Jan 3 00:50:14 2023In response to Re: Sssssssoooooooooo We’re are in major trouble, rightTop of thread

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What league do we play in at the athletics track?

Depends on What work in needed to bring it to Isthmian Premier Level (realistically we’re not going any higher in my life time at the moment) It’s got some readyish facilities. Work would need to be done in some way to make the pitch bigger. Got to add at least 300 seats more, improve the dressing room, add a board room for hospitality, stands behind both goals (got to speak to people at Enfield Town & Chelmsford City. Clubs that play with Athletic tracks that you can stand behind BOTH goals), catering facilities, some sort of bar if possible to get extra revenue, turnstiles.

Can’t think of anything else but I’m sure someone will & can add to the list.
I think you can get grants to help & speaking to a Ks fan who watches rugby league at a certain ground in Wandsworth. There MIGHT BE a possibility at some point they might be told to go away & so we could offer a possible groundshare further down the line. I know said Wandsworth’s team didn’t like having to groundshare with someone despite it probably helping get extra income for club. Anyway a possible groundshare would provide extra £££££££££ for the club on & off the field.

Just thought it would be worth mentioning that as well. Every little helps

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Re: Sssssssoooooooooo We’re are in major trouble, right

By Lesmundo4/1/2023 10:33Wed Jan 4 10:33:05 2023In response to Re: Sssssssoooooooooo We’re are in major trouble, rightTop of thread

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We need to hope that someone knocks the place down and rebuilds it, for us to have a chance. The work required would cost in the millions, and the chance of getting a football foundation grant for a ground share with Athletics as the primary user is virtually zero.

The other hope is funding from elsewhere, but unless the council gives us the money, that may also prove tricky as Sport England would not be looking to provide money for a limited in scope football development. They view football as having enough funding already.

If this is to be the idea, it needs an incredible amount of work. Developing a ground like Chalky Lane would be a much easier route, and easier to procure funding for.

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Re: Sssssssoooooooooo We’re are in major trouble, right

By jon tolley4/1/2023 15:52Wed Jan 4 15:52:38 2023In response to Re: Sssssssoooooooooo We’re are in major trouble, rightTop of thread

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which building needs to be knocked down?

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Re: Sssssssoooooooooo We’re are in major trouble, right

By Lesmundo4/1/2023 16:01Wed Jan 4 16:01:50 2023In response to Re: Sssssssoooooooooo We’re are in major trouble, rightTop of thread

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You would need to remodel the changing rooms so that they are separate to the gym, (potentially building a new set), bar/clubhouse would need to be built. You would need to buy at least one other covered seating area and some covered terracing. You would need to redevelop some of the banking, so that any end terracing like Enfield could be stored there. The pitch would need to be made longer, which would require alterations to the throwing area/and potentially the pitch/running area.

That would cost a fortune. The reason I day knocked down is that this would be a lot easier if there was already a planned redevelopment of the site.

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Shared use stadium

By Ali (ali.kazemi)4/1/2023 17:50Wed Jan 4 17:50:53 2023In response to Re: Sssssssoooooooooo We’re are in major trouble, rightTop of thread

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If our experience at Casuals hasn't taught us anything else, it's that sharing with another football club in any sort of long term way is at best extremely challenging. What's to say the Chessington & Hook United people would want us - if anything, they'd probably see us as more of a threat.

It seems that we've tried to find our own ground to build up from scratch, only to be thwarted by the lack of availability of land. So if we were planning to build a ground from nothing up, surely any sort of existing venue would be a lot easier. The athletics stadium, for example, already has access, parking, electricity, water, secure perimeter, level playing field, etc. A new building some some modular terracing shouldn't be a huge issue.

I think non football club sharing (eg athletics stadium, university, etc) would allow much better relationships and you wouldn't end up with two competing clubs scrabbling around on top of one another. We should be focusing on the positives and not the negatives - otherwise we're never going to end up in a ground of any sort.

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Re: Shared use stadium

By Lesmundo4/1/2023 20:37Wed Jan 4 20:37:07 2023In response to Shared use stadiumTop of thread

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But why would the Athletics club want us? And would they or the council be willing to have the ground redeveloped so that we could use it, as it can't be used in the sate that it's in. We will need way more than what we have, and if we can't find a way of showing that we have the finance to cover this work, then this won't even get off the ground.

Whatever we go for we need a lot more money and a realistic plan of how it's going to work.

With the area regeneration, is that going to mean the potential to develop the Athletics ground? Because if nothing is planned then we are going to need to raise a shed loads of funds to try and convince the current controllers of site to let us do what we need to do to it.

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Re: Shared use stadium

By SDG (SDG (Ks))4/1/2023 20:45Wed Jan 4 20:45:12 2023In response to Re: Shared use stadiumTop of thread

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The Council own the site and the club have an agreement to use it (non-exclusively) at certain times. Football has been played there outside of those times for decades, just at a lower level than ours.

Presumably the Council would want it to happen because they've said (only a few weeks ago) that they want to 'bring Ks home' and they don't have the land or money to make it happen elsewhere.

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Re: Shared use stadium

By supahoops74/1/2023 19:00Wed Jan 4 19:00:50 2023In response to Shared use stadiumTop of thread

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Agree. At the one and only open meeting we had early in
the season, I asked Mr Anderson if the board had approached existing Sports clubs within the borough regarding this very idea, including the University. He said they had, but remained tight lipped about any discussions. I personally don't think there is a'parcel' of land anywhere in the borough, let alone the town that would be available for the development of another football ground, community based or not that would be supported by RBK. As you rightly say, a relation/partnership with another facility, hopefully within the borough seems the only way forward as opposed to nothing at all.

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Re: Shared use stadium

By jon tolley4/1/2023 19:53Wed Jan 4 19:53:15 2023In response to Re: Shared use stadiumTop of thread

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agreed.
even if there was the land there would not be the money (even if a miraculous £2m grant from somewhere turned up (which it wouldn't)).

it needs either an existing facility, to jump into, or some kind of developer-led facility on the green belt showing some kind of extraordinary requirement from the local community, which isn't there either.

IMO we can aim for something that might be affordable and be a little (or a lot) beneath what we've been used to for decades, or spend the rest of the 2020's making "perfect" the enemy of "good" and throw pragmatism out of the window.

I cannot see how anything other than the Athletics Stadium can possibly be a go-er. And every month we delay is another month lost in partnership with Cambridge Road Estate regeneration and the new school's development which would be necessary in any joint venture.

we seem to give as much attention to the problems of where a javelin might land or moving a sandpit, to the logistical / financial problems of building a whole new site from scratch on a plot of land we'll never have. it's wild.

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Re: Shared use stadium

By SDG (SDG (Ks))4/1/2023 20:33Wed Jan 4 20:33:31 2023In response to Re: Shared use stadiumTop of thread

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IMO we can aim for something that might be affordable and be a little (or a lot) beneath what we've been used to for decades, or spend the rest of the 2020's making "perfect" the enemy of "good" and throw pragmatism out of the window.

This is the crux of it for me and the debate we need to have. The athletics track would involve various compromises around shared use, sightlines, pitch quality and so on; it’s quite understandable that people want a football-specific facility but we need to be realistic.

We could bring the track to a minimum viable step 3 ground with our money (and Mark said as much at the fans forum). Some sort of new clubhouse, some terracing on the far side and moving the discus cage would be the main requirements. It already has 390 seats, more than enough for step 2. I don’t think those changes alone would be enough to make it good - that would need more money and probably partnership with CRE/school/Council - but it would be viable and it could be improved over time.

The board have been trying for eight years to get something better, since announcing our departure from KM, and they haven’t even cleared the first hurdle of finding a site. Each of the plans has been less realistic than the last, especially Lovelace. Chalky Lane can’t work - it’s got very poor access, is on the green belt and above all is another football club’s.

Our AFC money is being whittled down by the year. There has to come a point where we accept that we simply don’t have the land or the £5m+ we’d need to build a new ground of our own, and make some compromises.

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Re: Shared use stadium

By Lesmundo4/1/2023 20:52Wed Jan 4 20:52:34 2023In response to Re: Shared use stadiumTop of thread

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Why would the Athletics club say yes? Highmoor Ibis (now Reading city) tried this at Palmer Park athletics stadium and development for football was a no go. They ended up buying Reading Town's ground when they went bust.

I feel we are making an assumption about the place when there is absolutely no guarantee that they would have us, and the venue would bring it's own particular set of difficulties to navigate, which include heavily reduced options for funding.

The fact is we have very limited community reach. We have no community youth section and are not fan owned so our community link at this time is tenuous at best. We need to find ways of fixing these issues before we could call it a realistic option.

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Re: Shared use stadium

By SDG (SDG (Ks))4/1/2023 21:08Wed Jan 4 21:08:10 2023In response to Re: Shared use stadiumTop of thread

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It wouldn't be up to the athletics club, it's not theirs it's the Council's and there's no reason they should be able to veto how it's used outside their timeslots. Obviously we'd want to avoid encroaching on their use and to have good relations with them though, which would be easier than with a rival football club. Presumably if we were spending money to improve the site that would be a positive.

I don't think people are assuming the Council would say yes. There's an example in Reading where it hasn't worked but there are countless where it has. Until the board seriously pursue it instead of holding out for unrealistic schemes like Lovelace, we won't know.

I agree our community presence is poor and that won't help us with this or any other option. I'm sure the Council will be disappointed that we don't have either a women's team or a proper youth setup any more.

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Re: Sssssssoooooooooo We’re are in major trouble, right

By Suom Ynona2/1/2023 18:50Mon Jan 2 18:50:26 2023In response to Re: Sssssssoooooooooo We’re are in major trouble, rightTop of thread

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Gary McCann, Gavin Rose and James Bracken are just a few names of managers that are currently available. No chance any of those would be interested in joining this shambles though unfortunately. Maybe the director of football wants the job?

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Re: Sssssssoooooooooo We’re are in major trouble, right

By FOLEY2/1/2023 19:41Mon Jan 2 19:41:33 2023In response to Re: Sssssssoooooooooo We’re are in major trouble, rightTop of thread

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3 good shouts there tbf but you can only work with what you got.

Would they work with our group of players - very much doubt it.

We clearly have a low budget hence where we are in the league - must be reasons for this.

I am sure we all knew this at the beginning of the season that we would have a low budget which did worry me from the beginning of the season.

Anyhow we now somehow have to get out of this troubled situation

Just out of interest when did we win last ?

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Re: Sssssssoooooooooo We’re are in major trouble, right

By KsOllie2/1/2023 19:54Mon Jan 2 19:54:10 2023In response to Re: Sssssssoooooooooo We’re are in major trouble, rightTop of thread

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3 good shouts there tbf but you can only work with what you got.

Would they work with our group of players - very much doubt it.

We clearly have a low budget hence where we are in the league - must be reasons for this.

I am sure we all knew this at the beginning of the season that we would have a low budget which did worry me from the beginning of the season.

Anyhow we now somehow have to get out of this troubled situation

Just out of interest when did we win last ?




1. With Lee we were grinding out results & looked average but safe, now it’s looks like the titanic.
2. Would the want to work for a club that doesn’t it’s stable on & off the field.
3. Last win was November 5th Billericay at home ( when Lee was Manager)

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Re: Sssssssoooooooooo We’re are in major trouble, right

By JamieB (JBreeze)2/1/2023 18:59Mon Jan 2 18:59:02 2023In response to Re: Sssssssoooooooooo We’re are in major trouble, rightTop of thread

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Luke Tuffs wouldn't be a bad shout either. Nearly worked a miracle at Leatherhead last season

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Re: Sssssssoooooooooo We’re are in major trouble, right

By DaveK (Haver of thoughts)2/1/2023 18:44Mon Jan 2 18:44:57 2023In response to Re: Sssssssoooooooooo We’re are in major trouble, rightTop of thread

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Who is our director of football?

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Re: Sssssssoooooooooo We’re are in major trouble, right

By Berkshire Hoops2/1/2023 19:48Mon Jan 2 19:48:22 2023In response to Re: Sssssssoooooooooo We’re are in major trouble, rightTop of thread

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I’m wondering that too.

SEASONS GREETINGS TO EVERYONE 🧑‍🎄

Keith.

Why worry, be happy.

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Re: Sssssssoooooooooo We’re are in major trouble, right

By John Bangs2/1/2023 19:45Mon Jan 2 19:45:52 2023In response to Re: Sssssssoooooooooo We’re are in major trouble, rightTop of thread

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There isn’t one.

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Re: Sssssssoooooooooo We’re are in major trouble, right

By Filipo2/1/2023 19:50Mon Jan 2 19:50:25 2023In response to Re: Sssssssoooooooooo We’re are in major trouble, rightTop of thread

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Oh yes there is…..

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Re: Sssssssoooooooooo We’re are in major trouble, right

By Suom Ynona3/1/2023 22:25Tue Jan 3 22:25:46 2023In response to Re: Sssssssoooooooooo We’re are in major trouble, rightTop of thread

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The same person that Dowse banned from turning up at the training ground?

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Re: Sssssssoooooooooo We’re are in major trouble, right

By Lesmundo2/1/2023 20:37Mon Jan 2 20:37:17 2023In response to Re: Sssssssoooooooooo We’re are in major trouble, rightTop of thread

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Who is it though?

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Re: Sssssssoooooooooo We’re are in major trouble, right

By reximus3/1/2023 10:11Tue Jan 3 10:11:28 2023In response to Re: Sssssssoooooooooo We’re are in major trouble, rightTop of thread

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There is huge frustration behind the goal that the Club's "Marketing Executive" /www.kingstonian.com/officials has been behaving exactly in the manner of a Director of Football. For background, see here: http://forum.kingstonian.net/thread/28525

Gary is right (above) that we maybe have bigger things to worry about than a poor season on the pitch.

But when you look at the absence of communications, the lack of marketing, the paucity of sponsorship (all of which should be the main responsibility of a Marketing Executive) amid falling attendances and a nomadic future with no end in sight, it's no surprise that the supporters voice their frustration.

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Re: Sssssssoooooooooo We’re are in major trouble, right

By reximus2/1/2023 20:54Mon Jan 2 20:54:58 2023In response to Re: Sssssssoooooooooo We’re are in major trouble, rightTop of thread

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@Admins - would it be wrong to name him? (It's common knowledge behind the goal.)

rex

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Re: Sssssssoooooooooo We’re are in major trouble, right

By Berkshire Hoops3/1/2023 17:15Tue Jan 3 17:15:24 2023In response to Re: Sssssssoooooooooo We’re are in major trouble, rightTop of thread

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Well who is it then, Rex?

Keith.

Why worry, be happy.

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Re: Sssssssoooooooooo We’re are in major trouble, right

By John Bangs2/1/2023 19:52Mon Jan 2 19:52:30 2023In response to Re: Sssssssoooooooooo We’re are in major trouble, rightTop of thread

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Only ‘cos you made it up. So……

Oh no there isn’t!

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Re: Sssssssoooooooooo We’re are in major trouble, right

By Kingting (Ksuals)3/1/2023 19:41Tue Jan 3 19:41:04 2023In response to Re: Sssssssoooooooooo We’re are in major trouble, rightTop of thread

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Who will name the name (if there is one)?

Ksuals

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Re: Sssssssoooooooooo We’re are in major trouble, right

By reximus4/1/2023 10:53Wed Jan 4 10:53:44 2023In response to Re: Sssssssoooooooooo We’re are in major trouble, rightTop of thread

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The Club's Marketing Executive is Yioryos Vasilaras.

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