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Tom Collins

By www.kingstonian.com (fwpbot)30/4/2023 14:43Sun Apr 30 14:43:27 2023

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K's forward confirmed as returning next season.

Read the full news item at https://www.kingstonian.com/news/tom-collins/4394

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By JamieB (JBreeze)30/4/2023 17:41Sun Apr 30 17:41:17 2023In response to Tom CollinsTop of thread

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Where we playing next season?

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Re: Tom Collins

By supahoops730/4/2023 16:01Sun Apr 30 16:01:53 2023In response to Tom CollinsTop of thread

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Thought he looked a little lightweight for the ILP at times, but can't argue with his return of 5 goals in eight games.
Welcome back Tom!

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By Senior (BE)2/5/2023 11:07Tue May 2 11:07:34 2023In response to Re: Tom CollinsTop of thread

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Agree with that easily gets knocked off the ball and very lightweight!

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By Taimour (WeHateWombles)30/4/2023 14:53Sun Apr 30 14:53:42 2023In response to Tom CollinsTop of thread

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I presume the players being signed have been told which stadium they will need to get to for home matches?

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Re: Tom Collins

By JamieB (JBreeze)30/4/2023 17:41Sun Apr 30 17:41:37 2023In response to Re: Tom CollinsTop of thread

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Clearly the fans will be the last to know

Edited by JBreeze at 17:49:06 on 30th April 2023

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Re: Tom Collins

By Alastair30/4/2023 16:08Sun Apr 30 16:08:47 2023In response to Re: Tom CollinsTop of thread

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More worryingly, you’d presume Lane has been given an indicative budget already. Unless the board are disgracefully planning to dig into the AFCW new ground money to supplement it, you’d have to assume it’s going to be a lower budget than even last season’s very low budget. We have zero commercial revenue and season tickets will be down.

A reminder there was no need for this.

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Re: Tom Collins

By Senior (BE)9/5/2023 11:26Tue May 9 11:26:37 2023In response to Re: Tom CollinsTop of thread

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We could have gone back to Levred.

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By KsOllie10/5/2023 09:26Wed May 10 09:26:26 2023In response to Re: Tom CollinsTop of thread

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We could have gone back to Levred.

Considering they’re moved Epsom & Ewell on, I don’t think they are interested in a groundshare at the moment. Would guess their ego is still high as Rish Sunak wealth.

Nice ground & easy for driving to/from but I’d be spending £10 every midweek game just get to games as Leatherhead isn’t in the Oyster card zone. They’d be others in a similar situation as me having to pay for a train ticket to Leatherhead Plus I don’t think they’d be a minibus put on to/from Kingston to help people to get to Leatherhead each home game. Putting people going as well

Edited by KsOllie at 09:28:51 on 10th May 2023

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By Nick Garland10/5/2023 10:06Wed May 10 10:06:52 2023In response to Re: Tom CollinsTop of thread

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I don’t understand this clamour for Leatherhead, particularly if ‘proximity to Kingston’ is one of the main considerations given it’s even further from Kingston than Mitcham. The exact same points that are being made about Mitcham were being made about moving to Leatherhead at the time.

https://www.surreycomet.co.uk/news/15113663.were-fading-away-kingstonian-finally-seals-deal-for-ground-next-year-but-supporters-face-trek-to-leatherhead/

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Re: Tom Collins

By reximus10/5/2023 11:11Wed May 10 11:11:43 2023In response to Re: Tom CollinsTop of thread

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I think it's a bit of an over-statement to say there's a "clamour" for ground-sharing at Leatherhead. Some people would prefer it, some people wouldn't. Most people would say it's a better stadium for the crowd atmosphere. And there's a direct bus route from Kingston to Fetcham Grove.

But thanks for linking to that Surrey Comet article. Interesting to read "Ks fan Jamie Cutteridge said (2017): “If we don’t have our own ground in 10 years or so then I think the club will be dead or close to dying.”

That noise you can hear is a clock ticking...

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Re: Tom Collins

By Kingting (Ksuals)10/5/2023 12:01Wed May 10 12:01:00 2023In response to Re: Tom CollinsTop of thread

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and yet decades later Epsom and Ewell survive nomad existence.

Ksuals

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By KsOllie12/5/2023 03:28Fri May 12 03:28:07 2023In response to Re: Tom CollinsTop of thread

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and yet decades later Epsom and Ewell survive nomad existence.

It depends on various of things, a level of attendance, league stability, good cup runs (major & country level) & a good period at one place. Many clubs like Epsom & Ewell, Cray Wanderers, Balham etc have survived BUT in Ks situation, I’d agree with Jamie C & Co. Time is ticking, yes they have been some unprecedented events but there are some things that could of been prevented

Look at the Kingfisher mess, utterly embarrassing & we have no idea when this “glamorous” leisure centre & the high rise tower with “affordable” housing will open. The Lib Dem are behind schedule with the gentrification of the Cambridge Road Estate as well. So hope of getting some bricks laid for a home somewhere in Kingston is going to be hard but we have to keep pushing Andreas Kirsch. Is it worth inviting him & a few councillors to a Ks game in bid to show them that Ks is important to the borough. Just a thought

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Re: Tom Collins

By Kingting (Ksuals)12/5/2023 08:05Fri May 12 08:05:25 2023In response to Re: Tom CollinsTop of thread

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Given your list of tales of woe in the borough,Ks back in the borough probably ranks low on council's concerns.

Ksuals

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By Alastair11/5/2023 08:39Thu May 11 08:39:55 2023In response to Re: Tom CollinsTop of thread

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So would you say that if we emulate Epsom and Ewell that will have been a success?

Is “survival” all we are aiming for?

I increasingly think this is the difference between the groups of fans debating what we need to do on here. For a lot of people, like me, I’m not bothered about “surviving”; I genuinely believe k’s can thrive again with a plan and some much improved leadership. But I accept that for some people, as long as they’ve got a club playing in red and white hoops they can watch on Saturdays with friends/family, then that’s sort of okay.

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By Kingting (Ksuals)11/5/2023 16:40Thu May 11 16:40:11 2023In response to Re: Tom CollinsTop of thread

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Hi Alastair I might have an opinion as to whether Ks could survive a sustained period of ground sharing of not, but that's all it would be an opinion. Epsom and Ewell show demise within 10 years is not a given.
I'd think quite a few would like a club as you describe towards the end of your post.
From previous post others would give up on the Ks at county level

Ksuals

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By Nick Garland10/5/2023 11:42Wed May 10 11:42:03 2023In response to Re: Tom CollinsTop of thread

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IMHO whether K’s ground share at Leatherhead or Mitcham makes little to no material difference to the sound of that clock ticking and it would be better instead to focus on obtaining a permanent ground in RBK rather than moving from one less than desirable ground share to another.

Edited by Nick Garland at 11:47:13 on 10th May 2023

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Re: Tom Collins

By Kingting (Ksuals)10/5/2023 11:59Wed May 10 11:59:21 2023In response to Re: Tom CollinsTop of thread

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It does seem that the opportunity to play or watch football at several levels within the borough compares favourably to other sports.

I would hope if Ks were to move to the athletics ground, athletic events and more pertinently training is given seniority over any game of football.
Having in the past used the facilities there, athletes seemed to use the ground for training in the evenings.
As an aside would not the use of the athletics ground rule out artificial surface due to field events?

Ksuals

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Re: Tom Collins

By SDG (SDG (Ks))10/5/2023 18:35Wed May 10 18:35:41 2023In response to Re: Tom CollinsTop of thread

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The club trains on Tuesdays and Thursdays, so we'd have to have Mondays or Wednesdays as our midweek as we have for the last 20 years.

Competition, whether club or schools, is almost entirely from May to July with a small number of days in April and August where we might need to play on a Sunday or ask to be away, again as has been the case for the last 20 years of groundsharing. The list of closure days is on the centre's website.

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By jon tolley10/5/2023 11:50Wed May 10 11:50:12 2023In response to Re: Tom CollinsTop of thread

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and do you accept that's a minority view?

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By Nick Garland10/5/2023 12:12Wed May 10 12:12:03 2023In response to Re: Tom CollinsTop of thread

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Possibly, but is it relevant?

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Re: Tom Collins

By MC10/5/2023 13:56Wed May 10 13:56:12 2023In response to Re: Tom CollinsTop of thread

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For what it's worth, I don't think the 'focus on getting a permanent ground' is relevant, no. I'm not sure the effort required to negotiate a return to Fetcham Grove (or KGF, or anywhere more local) would even 1% detract from the prospect of getting a permanent ground (in part because progress on that front is so slow anyway.)

If I'm several years from being able to afford a property of my own, and I'm renting a flat that I don't like, I'd look to rent somewhere better in the meantime.

That said, while I would personally prefer a return to Fetcham (nicer ground, better atmosphere, better matchday experience overall), I'm not convinced it would make a significant difference to our general attendance / prospects / morale.

That's just a hunch. But the idea we shouldn't bother to think about where we are currently playing, when we'll probably be groundsharing somewhere for another half a decade or so at least, strikes me as a bit naive.

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