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Walton & Hersham
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Congratulations on their third promotion in a row - presumably to the Southern League
Great advert for an ownership of young professionals with new ideas and a varied skill set: something other clubs should try to take on board
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I give up
People really staying away from tooting well that really is not going to help is it.
Realistically everyone needs to come together and get a plan for next seasons this is getting silky now.
I understand people are annoyed I am as well but staying away no rev in club no season tickets surley is not going yo help.
Who will run club if board walk ? I say if they walk but they have put a lot of funds in surley 15 -20k each now I am only guessing here maybe more or less I honestly don't know.
What are options you moan about tooting but again I say we have no other options at present surley.
Please no one reply with the athletics track as that is becoming a joke
Please let's sort this ?
Regards
Paul by my propper name don't hide snd not a keyboard warrior
We all want the same but honestly we are not once what we are and have no given right to win leagues beat teams etc
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I give up
People really staying away from tooting well that really is not going to help is it.
Realistically everyone needs to come together and get a plan for next seasons this is getting silky now.
I understand people are annoyed I am as well but staying away no rev in club no season tickets surley is not going yo help.
Who will run club if board walk ? I say if they walk but they have put a lot of funds in surley 15 -20k each now I am only guessing here maybe more or less I honestly don't know.
What are options you moan about tooting but again I say we have no other options at present surley.
Please no one reply with the athletics track as that is becoming a joke
Please let's sort this ?
Regards
Paul by my propper name don't hide snd not a keyboard warrior
We all want the same but honestly we are not once what we are and have no given right to win leagues beat teams etc
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Surley you cannot be serious? KBH came up with a silky offer yo help the Board walk away.
I am not going to support the Directors' plan to turn Kingstonian into Imperial Fields Hoops.
Edited by reximus at 22:00:30 on 5th May 2023
Edited by reximus at 23:58:19 on 5th May 2023
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I’m sure you don’t really think there’s some covert plan to turn K’s in to ‘Imperial Fields Hoops’. There seems to be been some progress towards building a good relationship with the local authority which will hopefully bring something positive to fruition over the next few months. I don’t see what a boycott of attending home games would do apart from damage the team’s chances next season.
Edited by Nick Garland at 04:39:23 on 6th May 2023
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I haven't used the word boycott. I am not calling for a boycott.
But like many others, I don't like the journey to Mitcham and I don't enjoy watching football at Imperial Fields. I choose where I spend my money and I choose not to spend it there.
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I haven't used the word boycott. I am not calling for a boycott.
But like many others, I don't like the journey to Mitcham and I don't enjoy watching football at Imperial Fields. I choose where I spend my money and I choose not to spend it there.
I feel exactly the same. I went to two games at Mitcham last season: Carshalton because we had a fans' forum afterwards and Wingate because it was a cup game. I was also going to go to the Hornchurch game if we'd needed a result to stay up. I'll probably go to a small number of games there next season if there are similar circumstances.
But like you, I hate the journey and I hate the venue. A good team can alleviate that a bit but the less said about that the better.
With two young kids, I don't have the time or disposable income to go to nearly every game any more, so when I go it needs to be easy and/or enjoyable. Mitcham is neither. I'll go to the local games if there are any (I did Leatherhead, Met Police, RPV and Casuals last season; the latter was a great reminder of when Ks used to be fun), any new grounds and the good away games like Lewes, Hastings and Margate. Mitcham is a long way down the list of how I want to spend my Saturdays right now.
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I hated leatherhead I hated casuals could not even go to the loo
Who loved them venues
Leatherhead bar staff were great though have to say
Need our own ground but not easy
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"Who loved them venues"
I was quite fond of KGF, it is no pre-blue stuff Kingsmeadow sure but it felt like home to me. I look back at the FG year with great fondness in comparison to the year just gone as well to be fair.
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Me too.
Obvs, how easy it is to get to King George's Field or Fetcham Grove depend on where you live and what your transport options are, but both grounds have character and atmosphere and offer a much better matchday experience than T&M's Imperial Fields.
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I hated leatherhead I hated casuals could not even go to the loo
Paul, in all seriousness, an ability to pass urine (whether at Fetcham Grove or King George's Field or anywhere else) can be a symptom of prostate problems. Please get yourself checked out. A cheeky finger up the bum is a small price to pay.
https://prostatecanceruk.org/
Edited by reximus at 21:09:16 on 6th May 2023
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I went to one home match
It’s a fag to get to, it takes 1hr 30 there and back by car on a Saturday so I effectively lose the whole afternoon
And I don’t like the ground anyway
As for hoping councillors will do anything - their priority sports wise has to be to get the Kingfisher lies and cock up moving again. A sports club like ours won’t make much good PR especially if they are seen to give it a lot of time. It’s not as though the borough is a place where Kingstonian are an emblem of the borough, unlike places like Newcastle or even Wrexham
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I don’t see what a boycott of attending home games would do apart from damage the team’s chances next season.
What is most damaging to the team’s chances is the way the club is being run.
Time to stop being in denial or playing devil’s advocate!
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Wont help team and manager though
Go for it
Maybe some fans we have lost may come back or gain more I don't know.
People think this is an process without this board Maybe we have been dead years before
Fact
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Facts?
Maybe if you had actually been regularly this season you might see how bad it is so we’ll take no lectures from you.
You can kiss the boards arse as much as you want. They have got us in this mess and it doesn’t look like they will get us out of it!
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Has been going on years
Not kissing there ars just don't see what can be done to solve the problem
I brought a season ticket so if I go or don't go I have paid for that game anyhow which has gone to club.
At the end of the day we all want the same thing. The club doing better not saying winning the league etc
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But this is just classic-you are ignoring all the points people make about the attendances being down, the fact the budget is being cut and that we no longer even play near Kingston.
Those are the contributing factors that are killing the club and it is the board’s responsibility to run the club in an effective way. Maybe have a look at the accounts or the post about this.
The club are relying on the good will of supporters as effectively we are the only market. There’s no attempt to draw in new supporters or sponsors and yet the budget is continually cut with no ideas from this board on how to address this problem. They are too proud to accept the mess we are in.
A group of supporters have offered solutions and right now that is our only hope!
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The board will not sell I am sure but you never know
We as supporters cannot sack the board
Boycott that is not going to help the club.
As I have said previously people are not happy with tooting but there is no where else we can play.
How long have cray been waiting for a ground 10 years plus guessing.
It is not an easy thing. In our Borough I am not sure where we can build we cannot really do anything till we have our own ground.
Things on here seem to be getting personal and that's what I don't like.
There needs to be a plan and positive not negative
As I keep saying we all want the same thing
Nice ground
Good support
Good marketing
Can someone maybe go as a link between the board and fans and maybe do the marketing to see if we can get a few more people through the door. Just a suggestion
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As I keep saying we all want the same thing
Nice ground
Good support
Good marketing
But that's the problem - the board aren't supplying any of those things, but many on here (and you seem to be included in that) are happy for those in charge to carry on not providing the things that everybody wants!
Nice ground - agreed it is unbelievably hard to find a permanent one in Kingston, but the board are making us play in a hole in Morden.
Good support - see above! Crowds are dropping and there is literally no action to reverse this.
Good marketing - we have a marketing director who, as far as I can tell, has brought in no external match/matchball sponsors for an entire season.
Of course we can't sack the board, but collectively we can make it plain that we are sick and tired of their inaction and incompetence.
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Let's look forward to a new season and maybe we can see a change
Let's support Simon and the team
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Hashtag coming up to our level too.
Hampton and Richmond also have young people involved and doing good things to attract investment and supporters.
So many clubs around us doing good things, moving with the times - and our club absolutely on its arse, directors who are running the club like it's 2006, no attempt or inclination to try to get people with relevant skillsets involved.
It's such a shame.
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And what was wrong with 2006 may I ask,
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Well nothing in itself, obviously, except it was a world (effectively) before Facebook, Twitter, Instagram, Tik-Tok, smartphones in general, live streaming...you know, it was a different world.
Things have moved on. You can promote the club in new ways. Other clubs have cracked it. Our directors have their hands in the sand.
It's not that they're out of touch - that's fine. It's that they don't realise how out of touch they are. The club is on its arse.
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I could not agree more,but for one point ,this board know full well what they are doing,they are well on top ,the anarchy they are imposing is well orchestrated to the detriment of all us supporters they are living in the shadows of business and showing nothing regarding accounts etc. A sweeping statement by Mark Anderson never to be forgotten on his takeover of the club,( the days of the journeyman at KS is over) were never more false,trading standards should look into him.
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Has any evidence appeared to back the accusations of theft by the board yet?
Ksuals
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Has any evidence appeared to back the accusations of theft by the board yet?
I don’t think most people who are concerned about the club’s finances are throwing the ‘theft’ word around. You can check the figures reducing year on year on the companies house website.
I think it’s really positive that members of the KBH picked up on this and effectively forecasted by 2028 there will be nothing left. We need people like this running the club.
It’s time for the board to step down.
SACK THE BOARD
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You are quite right Filippo,I can think of only one who used the word theft.
It is a pity that what appears, to be a group of supporters with knowledge and ability to help the club have been rebuffed.
It might need a greater collective to form and make known to a wider audience their concerns.
Posting these on here and leaving it at that has achieved what appears nothing.
Ksuals
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That one was me,you Mark my words you will agree when it's too late.
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Just the observations from an idiot reading companies house accounts here. Would be nice to hear from accountants/more intelligent people than me to see what they think might be going on here. Is Korky right? Is it just incompetence and the burying of heads in the sand?
Companies house accounts for period up to May 2017 (last season at Kingsmeadow) shows there being current assets of £21,287, current liabilities of £13,515 and non-current liabilities of £132,123. The non-current liabilities are £45,976 to Malcolm Winwright (down from £67,808 in 2015), £24,469 to John Fenwick (down from £33,205 in 2015 and £61,678 owed to Anderson Travel Limited (down from £63,510 in 2016).
The accounts on companies house for the next season up to May 2018 (Leatherhead groundshare and Dynan's extraordinary amount of players used) show current assets shooting up to £189,975 and accrued income of £800,236. Mysteriously non-current liabilities have shot up as well from the £132,123 of directors loans to over £1million (£1,097054). I would love to know what this figure includes to have risen by such a huge amount. Any accountants here that can have a guess?
The amount of Womble money received was £1,220,000 (£80,500 in compensation, £69,500 donation, £1,000,000 further donation and a further donation of £70,000 for a late payment) according the the Womble accounts. Current assets and accrued income only add up to £990,211 leaving a difference of £229,789 on there. Is this the amount ringfenced for groundshares? Used to pay off directors loans (unlikely as non-current liabilities have risen to over £1million by that point)?.
The last breakdown of directors loans is to the period 31 May 2020 (curtailed season with our FA Cup 2nd round run). This shows £73,269 owed to John Fenwick, £4,800 owed to Yioryios Vasilaras, £145,425 owed to Paul Hayward, £65,478 owed to Anderson Travel Limited and £35,976 owed to Malcolm Winwright. Total of £324,948, but non-current liabilities are £1,106117. Any ideas what these other liabilities might be? Our FA Cup run will have generated prize money of £77,250 according to the FA prize money published for that season. This is before taking into account shares of gate money and TV money. Surely the directors should have taken this money out of the club to pay back any loans if they needed the money back and not any Womble money?!
As of the last set of published accounts to 31 May 2022 non-current liabilities are just below £1million (there is no breakdown of directors loans showing) and our current assets and accrued income are down to £736,330 (dread to think what it is now).
Our current directors are John Fenwick, Mark Anderson, Benjamin Flatt, Paul Hayward and Yioryios Vasilaras. Of that list of five directors I think I have seen two regularly this season and one of them once at our fans forum earlier in the season. The last breakdown of shareholders from 09/07/2019 is John Fenwick - 25 ordinary shares, Paul Forrester - 25 ordinary shares, Anderson Travel Holdings Limited - 25 ordinary shares, Malcolm Winwright - 25 ordinary shares, Paul Hayward 19 ordinary shares and Yioryos Vasilaras 6 ordinary shares.
It beggars belief that if they are not interested enough to attend that they won't allow passionate, driven and highly skilled fans to help and/or takeover the day to day running of the club. Maybe we should just pay off our director of football's loan and give KBH those 6 shares. He seems to have a big say in things for someone with such a small shareholding.
Up the K's, up KBH and sack the board!
Edited by Justin Sider at 13:39:19 on 4th May 2023
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Did those figures include Jim Cochrane s investment of 28,800 that was ruled out under a ten year agreement ,because the board could not perform what they had promised,I dought very much.
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I cannot believe we turned down experienced Comms people in our position considering innovations at other clubs.
Clubs like Hashtag have done those things and hats off to them but also Dulwich who are coming back down have for years being trying to make it a nice experience to go to a game. When have our board thought about the match day experience? I backed the move to Tooting, hold my hands up I was very wrong, but nothing has been done to make it good for supporters.
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Of course they would and do accept money and volunteer time but only on the condition of absolute conformity with their strategy/non-strategy and no transparency over finances and debt.
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