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Firstly I am very much in favour of the group of Ks supporters who are showing a keen interest in investing in the club so I have some questions.
Does the KBH have an executive committee acting on behalf of the grouping who can provide firm answers. The letter to the board said ‘we answered your questions about our membership and governance’ so I assume there’s more structure than 13 individuals.
The people who make up this group are as individuals have a respected history at Ks but interested to see how set up as a collective.
My further questions are irrelevant if KBH has no structure and, perhaps, currently in cold storage.
Thanks
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Re: KBH
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Happy to chat in person next season. There's lots to discuss. We thought long and hard about structure, the legal entity, how best to collectively muster funds, the transition to wider ownership. That wasn't the obstacle. To reiterate: over half a year we met with delay by the board, lack of clarity and a general absence of serious intent to engage. At least one board member was dead against any proposal for restructure. It was profoundly depressing given our sincere efforts.
Ultimately the board plainly didn't want to give up their current degree of control, let alone surrender complete ownership. Don't beleive their claims that they're "willing to walk away". They had the chance for an exit and didn't take it. It's worth noting that owners of a number of other non-league clubs in recent years have decided to pass ownership over debt-free to fans or other entities willing to invest. That is consistent with being custodians planning for the long-term.
The Ks board wanted money for their shares and they want their loans back (most of that cash gifted to Dynan was loaned by Hayward, a colossal waste of money that now has consequences). They were also resistant to the idea of not taking money out of the club while we remain homeless. Various proposals were made in order to find common ground.
At the final phase they then said there were at least two other interested parties (no doubt to spark a bidding war for shares). Nothing has yet come to pass (Ben Flatt seemingly has not bought a shareholding and his position is ambiguous).
Where do we go from here? Coalesce and organise around a Trust that holds the the Board to account? Perhaps. But it can't be a body that simply helps the Board to maintain the current course/hands money to the club without conditions.
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Thanks Taimour for the response. I doubt the club run at a profit so any financial support from the supporters club probably assists towards maintaining the current commitments. The supporters club does focus on community connection as wel. I Don’t see any benefit in the supporters club adding holding the board to account to its responsibilities. I appreciate some will disagree with me.
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I think this is a very good response which is a dam sight better than no response at all.
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Hi Peter
I can’t speak for the whole group, but after being strung along for such a long time, I think it’s natural for us as individuals (and as a group) to take the close season as time to get some enthusiasm back and regroup.
Speaking personally, I still hope that we can find away to genuinely assist Kingstonian, but of course the board have made it clear that this won’t be by joining formally. We have to respect that and so it naturally might take some time to plot a way forward.
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Hi Alastair
Thanks, sounds like a sensible approach and hopefully there will be a regroup.
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I’ll continue to support Kingstonian. But I fear it’s beyond saving to any recognisable level, and committing to £x,xxx a season of investment is no longer for me
I hope I’m wrong and this new ground appears
Edited by jon tolley at 12:54:03 on 20th May 2023
Edited by jon tolley at 12:54:37 on 20th May 2023
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My views on the KBH detailed earlier in the thread and disappointed it is less viable entity without your support but , as you say, no longer for you. Fair enough. Is it your view now you want the board to continue but with a different mindset or do you think there is another option.?
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I think unless something changes radically very soon the club is beyond saving
but we won’t go bust for another five years or so so I can still see my friends and cheer the goals
just seems such a waste
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Didn’t answer the question . What radical change? KBH probably now not viable so what is the alternative?
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No deflection intended
First, acknowledging fans and fans’ worries. The Supporters Club isn’t doing this afaik
Some actual attempt to get fans in to the ground, and more sponsorship / advertising
Serious conversation about the ground based on something achievable
Getting the heck out of Mitcham
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Thanks Jon , I will take that you err on change of mindset. At the moment I think the real issue is communication and the animosity towards the board doesn’t help as it probably makes them more reluctant to share information. The way the club is set up doesn’t create openness as the board are responsible to shareholders of which they are few. The reason I liked the idea of the KBH was that the group would become a shareholder and when the directors didn’t reach agreement with the KBH Inthink the KBH should have retreated to strengthen their position in organisation and financial backing to return at a later date. In my view a mistake to change proposal to take over then when that failed disintegrate. The atmosphere may have been better in the interlude to build a better relationship with the board.
I think the best way forward is for 2 of the KBH , 2 Supporters club committee and two directors to meet to discuss why there are communication problems and what can be done to move forward.. Perhaps an agenda over the next season so by this time next year we are in a better position.
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This sounds like a great idea full of common sense… i.e. will never happen
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Can only float the idea and no deadline for this to be realised. Thanks for the compliment and I think it’s the best option
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Good points raised by yourself buddy,although unable to go to games now due to health issues the club has a special place in my heart.I was wondering if anyone from say Walton & Hersham about how they went about controlling the club and turning their fortunes around.Just feel someone who has done and made it work may give some ideas to the KBH members.I appreciate they a different entity but just a solution.Cant for life of me understand why the board at present controlling the club look for help from the supporters with solutions etc.Funding and canvassing & promoting the once proud club b4 it really is to late must take priority after all are we not the famous Ks.Good luck in your forward planing.I wish I could help in some way from home.
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An approach had been made to the Board it has been rejected.Nothing unusual there in the buisness world so I don't see why Mr Borrett is offering advice to the KBH who have the choice to go away or to think of their next move.They would seem quite capable of taking another step forward without the advice although I am sure ithat will be taken on board.
These rejections can often be followed up with much further thought and strategy and wider conversations and I am sure this is being talked over with not only themselves but maybe further interested parties and good luck to them for the sake of our club.
For further help for the Board I feel after the way the fans have been treated it is down to them to hold the olive branch not the much maligned supporters.
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I will leave KBH to answer for themselves but genuinely curious as to what the structure is of the existing board?
Would certainly help in providing further transparency/accountability.
Edited by irishk at 21:40:26 on 16th May 2023
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It’s under 24 hours since I posed my question and I am sure one of the many that post on here from the KBH will reply. I think it will be disappointing if I am wrong and we have another grouping within the club economical in giving information.
I noted your point re the board and they have a chairman, directors with a small amount of additional shareholders. What you would like to know is whether they have particular responsibilities. I doubt they will tell us
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Re: KBH
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Tues 28th March, Taimour broke news of the KBH approach to the Board with this post: http://forum.kingstonian.net/article/162716.
The next day, Gary addressed some more detailed questions (possibly including the questions you have?) with this post: http://forum.kingstonian.net/article/162750.
Hope that helps?
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Thanks Rex. So with the failure to come to agreement with the board the KBH was never bought into being. I think it would have been better, having not made progress on the first proposal to have pulled back ,set up a committee representing the 13, done more research , build up its base and financial support for a later date.
The change of tactics with a view to take control was unlikely to work and no makes involvement further out of reach. We need to get back to trying to pull together and every part of the club has a duty to work towards that.
I hope the thirteen will get together and renew their interest
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I think [KBH] would have been better, having not made progress on the first proposal to have pulled back, set up a committee representing the 13, done more research, build up its base and financial support for a later date.
You may be right. But then you have the benefit of hindsight, and I've no doubt that the Board's ultimate dismissal of KBH - completely ignoring their good intentions and excellent credentials - will have fed into that.
This whole saga has further damaged the impression that most Ks fans have of the Board.
A few supporters keep their heads buried in the sand, and give the Board their backing. For the life of me, I cannot understand why - the Board have done everything possible to show they cannot be trusted.
Edited by reximus at 22:03:52 on 17th May 2023
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On the one hand benefit of hindsight but on the other I probably would have advocated that at the time. I and many others were unaware if what was going on in the background. Moving forward I think the thirteen should put their collective on a firmer footing, look at strengthening their base and ability to forward further proposals at a later date. This suggestion has no relevance to hindsight or various points of view on the board.
Someone some time ago mentioned the Ks trust and perhaps it should have been kept in existence. I think this is something that shouldn’t have been dispatched to the dustbin or, at best , put in mothballs. People may differ with me but I don’t think a confrontational strategy will achieve anything. Whatever happens in the future we will always need people to work together and the support of many.
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Hi Peter. I certainly didn't intend my post (above) to be critical of you - sorry if it came over that way - just a reflection of how things stand at the moment.
TBH, I don't think anything KBH did, or could have done, would've made any difference. The Board were clearly just stringing them along and never had any intention of engaging with them seriously.
As for the Ks Trust... Again, hindsight is a wonderful thing. It was an excellent idea at the time and many of us were delighted to support it. It withered on the vine because it looked it like the Board could be entrusted with Ks future and it was no longer needed.
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Thanks for all the info Rex. The future is always open for the 13 to reassess. I thought it was great they got a group together with various professional experiences but I am sure, whatever role they undertook, it would have presented challenges, you can never plan for the unexpected.
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No, Peter. Sorry, but no.
It is up to the Board to reconsider. They have made a colossal mistake. Read the room, fercrissakes.
KBH, with their significant, relevant, valuable various professional experiences - and, just as importantly, much needed financial backing - offered to help the Club. The Board pissed on them.
I'm sure your voice carries some influence with the Directors. Please use it.
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To my knowledge I don’t carry any influence on the board. The last time I spoke with a board member was two years ago when I discussed Les Gilson’s book with John. The only other correspondence was an email to inform the passing of a Kingstonian supporter.
It doesn’t bode well for my influencing powers when not one of the KBH group who regularly post on here have not. Contributed to this thread. That is they’re perogative and not an issue to me as you efficiently answered my original question. In response to another post saying I gave advice. It wasn’t advice it is an opinion.
As you say , there are a lot of attributes amongst the 13 and I am disappointed they have let the KBH drop at this point in time.
I will, if we haven’t heard in the meantime , ask about the site visit at the supporters club agm
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Has anybody noticed that the Supporters Club chairman is very quiet on this matter.
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I think the SC now avoid this forum and focus on their FB page
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They still read & thumb about. Check the "Who's Online" page from time to time... you'll see the names.
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Their silence since the KBH announcement speaks for itself really. Just further proves what some people have been saying about being in cahoots with the board. I wonder if there'll be an update on the site visit earlier this month? No doubt they walked around another field and we'll be asked to jump off another cliff. One thing for certain is that a lot of the fans goodwill didn't survive the jump and neither did any common sense on the board's part.
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Yeh. I think they recently said it got a bit personal on here so want to keep to the forum where they can control posts a bit easier
It’s a shame but I guess it’s the perogative of the SC commitee members to engage how they choose
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Just my personal opinion but anyone supporting the status quo (ie this board) are fifth columnists.
noun
: a group of secret sympathizers or supporters of an enemy that engage in espionage or sabotage within defense lines or national borders
The Supporters Club seem to be apologists for an ego-driven , self-harming, selfish board who do not have the interests of the club at heart.
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