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Isthmian League - Premier Division results
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The following results have been recorded in the Isthmian League - Premier Division:
Saturday 19th August 2023
| Bognor Regis Town | (0) | 0 | 0 | (0) | Hashtag United | [913] |
| Cheshunt | (0) | 1 | 2 | (1) | Chatham Town | [412] |
| Concord Rangers | (1) | 1 | 2 | (2) | Margate | |
| Cray Wanderers | (0) | 0 | 1 | (1) | Billericay Town | [302] |
| Dulwich Hamlet | (1) | 1 | 2 | (1) | Hastings United | [1939] |
| Folkestone Invicta | (0) | 1 | 2 | (1) | Enfield Town | [818] |
| Haringey Borough | (0) | 0 | 2 | (2) | Horsham | [402] |
| Hornchurch | (1) | 1 | 1 | (0) | Carshalton Athletic | [578] |
| Kingstonian | (1) | 2 | 1 | (0) | Canvey Island | [222] |
| Potters Bar Town | (0) | 1 | 2 | (2) | Lewes | [186] |
| Whitehawk | (0) | 3 | 3 | (1) | Wingate & Finchley | [400] |
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Rode our luck a bit, but well done Ks!
First points on the board and a cracking winning goal.
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We did at times but a good battling performance and also created quite a few more chances. Time to get fully behind Simon and the boys. Great effort today and a team to be proud of again
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Yes, I agree, we all need to try and get behind the lads, Simon
and his management team. I understand the reasons as for why our fantastic supporters might be staying away, be it the 'Imperial fields experience' or, the running of the club presently.
TBH, if I could pick Imperial fields up and plonk it in Kingston,
I would!. I won't use the word 'boycott', but staying away from IP home games will only curtail the playing budget further and make things harder for our hard working and respected manager. We have always travelled in numbers to away fixtures and I'm sure we always will. The players must notice this and lift their game, I'm sure. A few more at IP will bolster that.
We need to stay competing at this level IMO, whatever is happening off the field. Official home attendances of 243 and 222 won't attract or pay for quality players.
Come on u Ks!
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I won't use the word 'boycott', but staying away from IP home games will only curtail the playing budget further
I see no evidence for this
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'No evidence' in that the playing budget is set regardless of whether 222 or 2,222 come through the turnstiles?
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Walton & Hersham had had 488 and 589 at their first home games and seem to be funding a successful and consistent team but if their crowds had remained on average 64 as was the case in 2019, I guess they would not be so funded.
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absolutely.
I think any club where there’s a reason to look to increase revenues will try to do that.
I see little effort in that at Ks. Ks has a pot of over £500k to dip into whenever things aren’t breaking even so no need to worry about attendances, on a commercial level
doesn’t help the bleak atmosphere at games, of course
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Perhaps I'm naively assuming that the current custodians of the club would make increased revenue through the turnstiles available for the playing budget. Would be nice if a few more souls would come or even come back to Imperial fields to that end. And, to brighten up the bleak atmosphere.
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There were, by all accounts, no more than 120 paying Ks fans at yesterday's match. This still remains a statistic more important than the final score. There's no need for a formal boycott at Mitcham. Around half of the core support are simply not attending.
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Amazingly, yesterday they'd sold out of 50-50 tickets. People were literally trying to give the club money, to get an actual piece of paper in return, and couldn't.
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In fact the volunteer had run out of 50-50 books in her pouch, and we replenished her supply about a minute later. Sorry for the inconvenience.
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Fair enough. I guess they weren't told that though, as they were under the impression that no more were available.
In truth, there are far bigger concerns than the 50-50 tickets and I kind of wish I'd never brought it up...
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As you know the 50/50 is run by the Supporters club. So you should take it up with the new committee.
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Oh fair play. I didn't know that.
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Come on Gary, it’s an income stream for the club, so OF COURSE the supporters club run it. Just like all the others, for some bizarre reason.
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Why bizarre? Most non league clubs use volunteers. But obviously it doesn't fit your agenda.
And there are valid reasons why it is done this way.
It surprises me that you guys didn't know that it worked this way as I thought you knew exactly how Kingstonian was run.
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Hi Jim
Sorry, my comment was tongue in cheek.
Yes, I’m very well aware that every non league club runs a 50/50 (and various other schemes of this nature) via some kind of supporters club staffed by volunteers. I also understand the benefit of doing this, which is related to tax.
The club was have a hell of a lot more volunteers if it didn’t treat its supporters like idiots, if it was better organised, and if it were clear on what help it actually needed. It’s very sad that the volunteer base has been hollowed out by ineptitude and complacency.
But what all other non league clubs also do is work hard to get their own sources of income too. We don’t. We rely on dwindling down the AFC Wimbledon money. The justification for that is where you and I strongly disagree.
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Anybody with half a memory w ould remember the fine volunteers we until Anderson and his wife insulted them all out of the club ,Vicky is about the only survivor along with Robert who was brought back to the club by Jim Cochrane
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This is not the case, we have various fab volunteers both new and old..Which Robert was brought back by Jimmy C? When and why did Mark Anderson insult volunteers out and why? I'd love to hear more gossip
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It was your Robert Rosie,plenty of witnesses to Anderson and wife insulting Gary and Sandra and Barry Sergeant in the boardroom ,not gossip reality .
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Oh right, yes, Jimmy welcomed him back after khosla. He never argued with the Andersons, that confused me.
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He is soooo evil isn’t he?
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Thanks for the info on the 50/50. As you're in the know: why is the AFC money already down to £720 000?
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Slowly being eroded in directors.fees ?
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That's the extent of my knowledge. As I said you guys seem to have all the financial info.
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All we can do is study the official accounts and ask questions. The board refused to disclose any further financial information, both at the time of the fan owenrship vote and in 2022/2023, despite the signing of NDAs. Perhaps Ben Flatt was given the numbers.
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Thanks Taimour for answering my question and as you say questions can be asked. It maybe we have to manage expectations but with the right approach (whatever that maybe ) may make progress.
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Clearly more than you
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you guys seem to have all the financial info
If you'd read anything about the KBH negotiations you'd know that the club refused to give us any financial information whatsoever, despite us signing NDAs as requested!
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Taimour, with you legal qualifications and perhaps more knowledge than most I have the following question. With the proposed change to the supporters club constitution to make the board of directors more accountable are there any ways the information from the directors will be forthcoming? Or is this a process that is unlikely to achieve results because there in no obligation to comply.
I am interested in knowing what the agreement was and whether funds were ringfenced but it’s all very foggy with more than one take being circulated.
With a new supporters committee coming into being at the reconvened agm it maybe useful for them to have a question and answer session with the hope there maybe some useful input.
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What match day voulunteering do the board do?
What is their agenda?
Is the club being run well?
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Are you stupid and blind what silly questions.
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I would suggest probably more than you.
I am happy with the way the club is being run. I get to watch the team play at a level that is decent. I don't find getting to Mitcham too much of a hassle.
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I would suggest probably more than you.
I am happy with the way the club is being run. I get to watch the team play at a level that is decent. I don't find getting to Mitcham too much of a hassle.
Oh that’s good, sorry for my friend’s complaints. They should know better than living in East London, Surrey, Bedfordshire or Hertfordshire. Do you find it easy to get to games on strike days or midweek games (would put my input in but I’d be probably deemed irrelevant)
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I most humbly apologise for having a different opinion to your friend but it makes it no less valid.
But please don't lecture me on the difficulty of getting to Ks games. I have travelled from Woking, Walton and Luxembourg to Ks games on a regular basis. Having to put up with strikes, enginering works, Icelandic volcanic ash etc. So just because I find getting to Mitcham no more difficult than getting to KGF or Kingsmeadow doesn't mean that I don't appreciate that for some people it is more difficult. Having said that wherever Ks or any other team plays some people will find it difficult to get there. Even getting to Kingsmeadow would be difficult for some people. But I don't recall people demanding that the Directors provide transport to and from there.
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I most humbly apologise for having a different opinion to your friend but it makes it no less valid.
But please don't lecture me on the difficulty of getting to Ks games. I have travelled from Woking, Walton and Luxembourg to Ks games on a regular basis. Having to put up with strikes, enginering works, Icelandic volcanic ash etc. So just because I find getting to Mitcham no more difficult than getting to KGF or Kingsmeadow doesn't mean that I don't appreciate that for some people it is more difficult. Having said that wherever Ks or any other team plays some people will find it difficult to get there. Even getting to Kingsmeadow would be difficult for some people. But I don't recall people demanding that the Directors provide transport to and from there.
I didn’t know we were to point score on traveling to games, pretty sure it was mentioned when the move to Tooting was announced but was rejected on the forum. You didn’t sound like you were appreciating people dedication.
You always get difficult away travel, it’s normal. Try going to Hastings , Horsham, Hartley Wintney or Chipstead by public transport. That’s why you ask friends or other fans if the can help you.
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Bravo Jim, the club’s on its knees(which is run well in your deluded world) and you care more about how you can get to games rather than how we
might even attract existing or new fans.
Like others have said, you are most definitely part of the problem!
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I wish you would actually think about what you are replying to. I was replying to the insuation that I didn't care about the travelling some people had to do. I was saying that I am aware of the problems having experienced them myself. I was previously expressing a personal opinion on getting to Mitcham.
As to being part of the problem. I happen to believe that the Directors have the best interests of the club at heart in difficult circumstances. You happen not to believe that. It doesn't make me right and you wrong or you right and me wrong. It is what I believe and consequently I will continue to do what I can to support the club both financially and timewise. I don't see how not attending home matches helps the club but it is your perogative.
However I would add how would Gary Eakins resolve his problem with the 50/50 tickets in future if no Supporters club committee members are present at home games?
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I happen to believe that the Directors have the best interests of the club at heart in difficult circumstances.
I agree with this.
you could also get a ten year old to go in goal and do their very best. but that doesn’t mean it’s the right thing to do.
where we are right now is a dangerously close place to the club being over forever. critical friends are required
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The directors are doing their very worst for the club and will do so until they have run out the AFC money .
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This.
Also, I'm not sure I can read one more post from someone describing their personal logistics for getting to the respective grounds at which K's have played home games.
Our individuals journeys are not the point. Our alienation of the Kingston community is.
P.s. Sat was fun, we played well, Darnell's late winner the icing on the cake.
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The late goal was definitely the icing on our cake as we were getting married that afternoon and, after having been told the final score was 1-1, news of the goal filtered through; brilliant!
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Oh Jim, quite a few others have picked up on the selfish nature of your posts, maybe give those rose tinted spectacles a clean.
You most definitely are in the minority if you think this board are running the club well. Interestingly you’ve not responded to the points that multi people have posted, so how can anyone have a reasonable debate with you?
Members of the current supporters club committee were there on Saturday, are they now to blame?
As others have pointed out, we shouldn’t be relying on the supporters club to generate revenue, it definitely allows the club to scapegoat the supporters club as others have also pointed out (yes I know you are not very good at responding to these points).
Now Jim I was away on Saturday so couldn’t make the game. But tell me where in the constitution of the supporters club that it says committee members have to be at home games and also have to volunteer?
You are part of the problem, don’t forget that!
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I agree you are brown-nosing Jim.
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Extraordinary. So the teenagers who want to watch Ks but can't come to Mitcham don't matter. The half of the core support who don't attend any longer don't matter. The collapse in support and revenue is no concern to you. The ongoing decision (and it is a decision) to play in Mitcham is not a problem. The complete absence of ground progress is fine. The erosion of the AFC money, far in excess of the costs of groundshare rental, does not perturb you. 150 years of history at risk.
But Jim is OK so let's all stay quiet as Ks sink into oblivion.
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Fxxx Jim .
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The people of Kingston deserve a football club that future generations can enjoy watching.
What they don’t deserve is your selfish attitude Jim!
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Am looking forward to next year's committee working hard for the club and helping lots. I've not seen the nominees in action so we can expect good things from their bold new plans
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Not “their”, should be “our” as the committee will be working together in unity for the benefit of the supporters.
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Am looking forward to next year's committee working hard for the club and helping lots. I've not seen the nominees in action so we can expect good things from their bold new plans
Another sly and sarcastic little dig from you Rosey, well I expect nothing less.
Remind me again where it states in the constitution that you have to work for the club?
What were your bold plans for the SC apart from propping up the board?
How many times did the sitting SC engage with fans or represent their views?
Yeah there are plans, serious ones that involve trying to hold the board to account and find out what on earth is going on whilst the club dies a slow and painful death.
Enough is enough, you are either with us or against us!
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I think it says it all that following new people being forwarded to join the supporters club committee, the first comment that was made was Rosey stating that if any of the names mentioned are voted onto the committee then she would instantly resign from her post. Which did not come as a surprise to any of us really. Since the departure of people like Colin Deadman and the Winters it has felt like the SC has been like an exclusive club and there was almost a ‘this is our little club and only we can decide who’s welcome’ vibe about it. Which is why so many of us haven’t bothered to join for so many years. Until now where we felt we didn’t have much of a choice, there needs to be a lot of changes made if this club is to survive.
There’s a lot of people at K’s that I’ve either had rows with, fallen out with or haven’t ever got along with (shocking I know) but I decided to put aside any problems I’ve had with these individuals as I feel that at the current moment we all need to come together for the well being of the club. So people can keep making their little digs at those of us trying to make a change for the better and help in any way we can. But the fact that some people feel the need to post digs about us and aren’t even willing to give us a chance speaks volumes. If you guys are happy to watch the club plod along the way they are whilst ultimately dying a slow death that’s fine, crack on. But some of us aren’t gonna take it lying down and will do whatever we can to make our club great again. Your schneidy comments do not effect us no matter how much you hope they will so the joke really is just on yourselves.
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Colin Deadman was in the big stand when we played Canvey Island. That's the first time I've seen him attend K's since he quit running the supporters club. Maybe someone should invite back to run things.
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Having spoken to Colin at the AGM I don’t think he is well enough to be involved.
He was clearly not happy with the way the club is being run!
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To be fair Master, youd argue in an empty room! You and that other Ks loudmouth (who’s name I cannot remember)
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Why havn' those disgruntled bout SC formed an independent Supporters Club?
Ksuals
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Maybe because the current SC has an existing link to the K’s board that a new formed SC almost certainly would not?
Edited by Butler at 10:55:13 on 26th August 2023
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That's true,but there have been rumblings of disquiet about SC that have nothing to do with links to the board.
Having no link to the board does't mean an independent Supporters club could not be formed to address issues re transport to matches.
Maybe an independent Supporters Club might be a more high profile way of making known issues of the way the club is being run?
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Why havn' those disgruntled bout SC formed an independent Supporters Club?
Why do we need to when we can take over the current SC and make it ‘Independent’ again?
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That's true,but the disquiet on here bout SC has been rumbling for a while.
Why has it taking so long for people to do something about it?
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It would be more prudent to change the existing supporters club from the inside and officially, than challenge from the outside as independent.
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There's more than one choice available for the people of Kingston and future generations.
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I wish there was a genuine alternative that doesn't result in wearing blue!
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I would hazard a guess even without Ks in the borough,compared to other sports the opportunity for borough residents to watch h,play or be involved in football compares very well with other sports.
If it's Ks or nothing then that's looking not too good I would imagine.
As for blue what colour do. CC and the Chessington team in the SCFL play in?
I would hazard a guess that most borough residents don't care whether there's a Ks or not.
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I thought we were talking about football & Kingston upon Thames specifically? I was hoping you'd have an alternative option.
Not that it is super relevant to the main point but Chessington do play in blue by the way - however with that I was referring to the only other football team in the town of Kingston which is not an option for me.
(Disclaimer coz the internet be the internet... its because they're Chelsea that it isn't an option, not because it's woman's football!)
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I thought it was about Kingston people.
If for some it's Ks or nothing then there's no alternative.
If it's bout Kingston people and future generations there are alternatives.
Outwith the Athletics Stadium if it's the town then it's that ground or nothing.
Mind I miss the Richmond Road ground more than Kingsmeadow.
Ps unless Ks become a park team,mind some might say we're too badly run even for that.
Ks have certainly messed it up more than once.
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Are you for real. Tell us how is the club being run well we have no ground play out of the borough. The lowest budget in the league we have marketing director who is way out his depth does not promote the club the board have abused the work of guys who did social media for the club for free so we have now no manager Interviews after games website looks mediocre at best crowds are decreasing.Yeah fine job the board have done are give yourselves a pat on the back.
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I don't find getting to Mitcham too much of a hassle.
I'm pleased for you.
Would you now like to consider the location in regards to people that aren't you personally?
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I dare say those that are happy with how things are , are probably part of the problem
Any ks fan can recognise its in existential crisis at the moment. we may disagree with the right path out of here but to think things are fine is the craziest thing I’ve read on here in months
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‘I dare say those that are happy with how things are , are probably part of the problem’
I’d say those fools are definitely part of the problem!
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As you will know the new committee hasn’t been sworn in yet so you will have to take it up with the current committee!
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