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Tomorrow's AGM
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In relation to the amendment to clause 2.1 of the current constitution of the Supporters Club is it possible to get some clarification?
1. How will the Supporters Club act as an independent voice for all supporters?
2. How will the Suppoters Club scrutinise the Directors and shareholders responsible for Kingstonian FC.
3. What will happen if the said Directors and shareholders ignore the Supporters Club?
4. If conditions are put on any donations how will they be monitored?
5. How will decisions be made on what donations are given to Kingstonian FC?
Thank you.
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Such a wind up Jim!
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I’m not standing for committee but I back the new people who are. Their aims seem quite simple so I’ll try and make it easy to understand.
1. The SC will become independent away from the board and not blindly back the board when the board aren’t being transparent with the supporters, or appearing to not act in the best interests of the supporters. A SC should always be independent from the main club and not just a bunch of cheerleaders. This independence is not currently happening and is, in my opinion, difficult to happen when a board member’s wife sits on the SC committee, an obvious conflict of interest. The new SC committee members will rebalance this.
2. The SC will be more vocal in asking difficult questions, questions which supporters deserve to be answered. They will be the communal voice of supporters rather than individual supporters having a loan voice shouting into the wind.
3. Imagine the poor PR if the board of directors ignore the SC.! We are talking Ratner proportions of biting the hand that feeds you. There are supporters who are already voting with their feet, keeping their hands in their pockets. Now imagine that but fully coordinated. The board will soon realise that supporters should not be taken for granted. No club, pro or semi pro, is bigger than its fan base. Having a united group of supporters working together in a SC with an active committee will benefit both the Club and the SC.
4. I’m sure the SC treasurer will have a some kind of profit and loss sheet with incomings and outgoings. Everything given to the club should come with a guarantee of where the money is spent. The club should not get funds from the SC unless the board are transparent with where the money is going. That seems very obvious. The SC is not a charity to raise money for Kingstonian FC. That’s not to say funds wouldn’t be available if necessary to donate to the club.
5. Decisions are made by the committee, that’s what they are elected for. I personally don’t believe the current committee have made good use of funds, and donations have been given freely with little scrutiny or accountability. If necessary, a vote can be made from the SC members. Remember, this is money raised by supporters for the Supporters Club and trusted to be looked after by the SC committee. As a member of the SC, you have the right to scrutinise the accounts, see where the money is going. For example, expensive cost of a minibus resulting in just 2 supporters using this facility to travel to Hashtag. The week before the SC sponsored the matchball vs Carshalton. Surely this money would have been better to subsidise the cost of the minibus / coach, allowing cost per supporter to be lower, therefore more people wanting to use this facility.
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I think you if you look at SCs of other football clubs you would see whenever there is a crisis they stand together and call out their club and try to work towards solutions. Our SC seems to do the opposite and tells us things are fine (or remain silent) when things clearly aren't ok.
I will be voting for change tonight
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Good for you Jamie b
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Is now a good time to point out we've seemingly lost another 50k from the stadium fund
https://find-and-update.company-information.service.gov.uk/company/04480694/filing-history
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It will eventually sink in ,but they are gradually milking the funds.(the board that is )
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I'm glad someone else can see it .
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Let's not underestimate how important this is.
58k lost from Ks assets last season. We believe rent to be ~17k, but lets be generous and call it 20k. That's 38k spent.. on what? The playing budget was massively cut last season...
Where does the money go?
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Are there any supporters club members out there who will be attending tonight and voting against this sort of accountability question being asked?
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Exactly the sort of question the SC should ask
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Exactly the thing the new SC committee want to ask. This is a highly relevant question and one that has impact on all Ks supporters. Why would anyone vote against being able to ask these questions?
I could ask, but they won’t answer me. If the chairman of the Supporters Club asks, backed by the majority of the supporters they represent, then it’s in the interests of the board to answer the question or be seem to be going against the wishes of the club’s supporters.
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100% agree with Damo's posts.
Also, lets say playing budget is £3500 a week. That's £14,000 a month. £140 000 over 9/10 month season roughly. It seems to me the board must now be finding a third of that money through drawing down on the AFC money which, I'm told, permits "general budgetary support" to a limited extent. So rather than boost crowds or income or sponsorship or use the FA Cup windfall or hold back on recalling loans, the board are simply eroding the ground money for both rent AND paying wages.
NB. They rejected the KBH offer of fresh investment not least because they claimed they had other interested parties willing to put money and expertise in. How's that going? They also rejected a proposal that they commit to not using the AFC money for day to day budgetary support....
Edited by WeHateWombles at 09:36:30 on 15th September 2023
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The F A cup w/fall has been.taken.by.the directors the minute it was received ,don't be.under any illusions they are milking it wholesale.
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Now now Berlioz, don’t be presenting Jim with hard facts-he never responds to them!
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Firstly, may I apologise for not being able to attend tonights AGM. I wish that there could be away for non attending members to vote by proxy. Best wishes for a successful meeting with much positivity coming from it.
Keith.
Why worry, be happy.
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Sorry to say I cannot attend tonight but let's remember what's being voted on tonight. If members cannot support the following that would be deeply concerning:
“2.1 The aims of the Supporters Club are to (i) act as an independent voice for Kingstonian fans, both members and non-members; (ii) scrutinise the Directors and shareholders responsible for the football club; (iii) organise both coach travel to away games and social events on behalf of its members and (iv) to raise funds for the benefit of Kingstonian Football Club to assist in its development and success.”
This is not controversial, this is basic accountability.
Best wishes this evening to those who have brought this forward.
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I may have missed something here but I thought tonight was the vote to elect S.C. Committee Members.
COME ON YOU Ks!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Well said and to be honest it this doesn't pass it will just be another nail in the coffin
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I send apologies for this evening.
Think there will be changes on the supporters club this evening and good luck to those involved in elections and thank you for the ones that will be leaving there positions for all your efforts however long you have done this for much appreciated.
The board though still do not have to tell the supporters club or fans what they are doing.
Weather the is right or not they don't have to explain if I am mistaken please let me know.
Regards
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Any feed back from last night ?
Who was elected ?
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I was present, I could tell you, but I think it would be apt for the new committee to put out an official social media release for themselves. This would follow with the minutes of the 2 combines meetings when ready.
I can tell you that what came up was new committee members’ promise of more openness and accountability that what we saw with the previous SC committee. This will include better access to minutes of meetings, which was a raised question from the floor.
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Thanks, Damo.
The meeting decided that new members of the Committee could be elected en block, and then approved - by a very large majority - a change to the Constitution that will result in a more robust attitude towards the Directors.
Some of the existing Committee agreed to remain, which is greatly appreciated.
There will be a new approach to fundraising, which will see the SC less inclined to hand money over to the Directors (aka match or matchball sponsorship).
The new Committee is pledged to consult the supporters as widely as possible.
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Has the new approach to fund raising been put out to consultation?
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Has the new approach to fund raising been put out to consultation?
Give us a chance! The new Committee members were only elected last night. But yes, let's start that consultation right here...
The plan is that a range of fundraising schemes can be offered, each probably in aid of a specific project.
What do the supporters want to see? Get creative - maybe Legacy giving in aid of a stadium fund. 50/50 tickets to support Youth or Women's teams. Membership income specifically to subsidise accessible transport. Etc.
And yes, the 12th Man scheme will continue to run, for those who want their donations to go directly to the playing budget.
N.B. this consultation is seeking input from members and non-members of the Supporters Club. You can help this consultation by sharing it on other social media, in the bar, in the matchday programme, etc.
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It's the Supporters Club, so I'd like to see its funds go to things that benefit the supporters, not plug holes in the club's budget. Clearly, transport to games should be a big part of that remit. Restoring social events, which was a zero line in last year's SC budget. And yes, perhaps a contribution towards a stadium fund - something like a small roof behind one of the goals might be realistic to aim for.
IMO the SC shouldn't provide more than minimal funding to the club - including for youth or women's football, laudable as those aims are - until we see much more transparency from the board about the club's finances.
I hope as well that all members of the SC committee declare and manage any conflicts of interest around funding the club.
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Topically, last week the Government published a report into how it sees the football regulator working. One requirement will be:
The Regulator would set a minimum standard of fan engagement as part of its licensing regime through the ‘Fan interests’ Threshold Condition, in line with the aims of the Review.
This would require clubs to have a framework in place to regularly meet a representative group of fans to discuss key strategic matters at the club, and other issues of interest to supporters (including club heritage).
I'm sure the board and those who continually excuse their lack of engagement will be delighted that this will only apply to Conference National clubs and higher. But still interesting that fan engagement is seen as so important that the Government - a Tory Government, at that - is going to make it a regulatory requirement on pro clubs.
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