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Isthmian League - Premier Division results
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The following results have been recorded in the Isthmian League - Premier Division:
Tuesday 26th December 2023
| Cheshunt | (0) | 1 | 2 | (1) | Enfield Town | [1149] |
| Concord Rangers | P | P | Billericay Town | |||
| Cray Wanderers | A | A | Margate | |||
| Haringey Borough | (1) | 1 | 4 | (1) | Hashtag United | [572] |
| Potters Bar Town | (0) | 3 | 2 | (1) | Wingate & Finchley | [349] |
Note: 5 matches are due to kick-off after these
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Isthmian League - Premier Division results
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The following results have been recorded in the Isthmian League - Premier Division:
Tuesday 26th December 2023
| Bognor Regis Town | (0) | 2 | 0 | (0) | Horsham | [1215] |
| Dulwich Hamlet | (2) | 2 | 1 | (0) | Carshalton Athletic | [2737] |
| Folkestone Invicta | (0) | 0 | 5 | (2) | Hastings United | [880] |
| Kingstonian | (1) | 1 | 3 | (2) | Chatham Town | [202] |
| Whitehawk | (0) | 1 | 2 | (0) | Lewes | [1146] |
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Going down
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So there we are now half way through this miserable season and in a position of needing a major turnaround and pretty soon to show at least some sort of passion or hope.
Can't quite imagine where it is likely to come from but we need some sort of lift or do we have to realise the inevitable.
How sad for such a once great club so dear to the hearts of many for so long.
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Isthmian South Central isn’t going to be much easier … just look at Casuals this season
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Only hope that the silver lining is we move closer to Kingston next season. Our attendances are only step 4 level at Tooting. We can only hope that some fans come back
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Only hope that the silver lining is we move closer to Kingston next season. Our attendances are only step 4 level at Tooting.
100%. Only four teams across the four step 3 divisions have lower crowds than us. As long as we're in Mitcham with these abject crowds we're simply not a big enough club to survive at step 3.
All we can hope is that the board are working on ending the Mitcham nightmare, we get some more fans back next season and can restore our budget to a competitive level. Mitcham is far from the only problem but it's certainly the biggest one.
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I'll never understand why the Board thought Mitcham would work. A criminal misjudgement.
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I'm not in the habit of sticking up for the board - but I think we all know that relations with the (then?-)Casuals board broke down to the extent we were basically kicked out, and there weren't many other options, especially considering a move to other grounds meant we might have been shifted into the southern league. We can debate the significance of that move but it seems that the manager at the time was very much not in favour of that.
I basically see why we ended up there. We obviously have to do everything we can to get back to Casuals in the short-medium term. Our attendances were pretty much the same as late Kingsmeadow and the atmosphere was good. Not that fans automatically come back. We have to win people around.
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I'll never understand why the Board thought Mitcham would work. A criminal misjudgement.
Indeed. Before voluntarily abandoning Kingsmeadow, the Board ran a survey of the fans views on ground-sharing - and the majority opinion was that it should be as close to home as possible.
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“As close to Kingston as possible ….” but not Casuals or Leatherhead or Not Police - doesn’t leave many options!
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Or Hampton & Richmond Borough who can apparently no longer groundshare .
Going back to St George’s Field is by far the best thing to do - assuming that we can reach another agreement with Corinthian-Casuals.
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Unfortunately whether we like it or not, Mitcham may be the ‘closest available ground to home as possible’ currently. The availability of other potential options is not within the gift of Kingstonian FC and other clubs may simply not be amenable to a ground share arrangement.
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"May be...." does a lot of work in your post.
Note that the Board have never said that no others were available, that the Board told KBH Mitcham was chosen because it was significantly cheaper than KGF (a false economy when you factor in collapse in attendance), that it was deemed acceptable because within two or three (!l) years the foundations of Lovelace would be being laid, that the Board are only now looking for a new deal elsewhere because of fan pressure...
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Whether true or not… Vasilaras did say at recent manager meet and greet it was a case of playing at Mitcham or not playing at all; and that the board are as unhappy playing at Mitcham as the fans are.
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I don’t really trust a word the board say anymore.
Secretive on every issue and yet outed last year when it was clear they had been talking to the wrong people at the council.
Where’s the proof they engaged with any local club about a ground share? They’ve not even spoken to Chelsea about a potential return to Kingsmeadow.
Let’s also not forget they previously didn’t look at the Athletics track as an option as they didn’t think fans would want to go there. This without even talking to any fans!
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This probably doesn't count as proof but when Chessy played my local team there were some supporters who were involved with talks re ground sharing with Ks.
They voted no as it came across in the talks more like a ' hostile takeover ',and a quite arrogant attitude form the Ks representatives.
Ksuals
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The problem with C+H is we would presumably have to pay to develop to bring up to ground grading.
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The problem with Mitcham is it just too far away. The ground is great in and of itself.
I suppose it is just about conceivable that the board have reasons to keep things confidential but to be honest seven years after leaving Kingsmeadow one wonders.
It does sound like Corinthian-Casuals wanted us to leave and the early promise of a move there turned to dust. Bearing that in mind are they really that likely to want us back?
We could conceivably groundshare at Walton & Hersham as Walton Casuals went out of business and the council need cash but is it any better than Mitcham? Unlikely .
I just cannot understand how so many years elapsed without the announcement of a realistic plan to get back to Kingston or at least the Royal Borough. This has been hugely eroding of trust between the directors and fans and has resulted in this horrible season of dire results, nailed on relegation and extremely low attendance.
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I just cannot understand how so many years elapsed without the announcement of a realistic plan to get back to Kingston or at least the Royal Borough. This has been hugely eroding of trust between the directors and fans and has resulted in this horrible season of dire results, nailed on relegation and extremely low attendance.
there’s only two realistic options for the borough
one is Cor-Cas. other is Arhletics Stadium
nothing else is likely. even if people honestly believe it is
I DO believe the board. I believed they thought Lovelace was realistic. It never was. and people who are this daft shouldn’t be making the decisions
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I think the board probably did think Lovelace was possible and the council led them down the garden path which probably wasted four or five years.
I have often heard it said the Athletics Ground is no good but why is it no good? One would hardly argue about its location and it already has a football pitch.
I would also say that the council don’t seem bothered one way or the other. That can’t help much.
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I would also say that the council don’t seem bothered one way or the other. That can’t help much.
There’s no reason why the council would care about Kingstonian. and it doesn’t.
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There’s no reason why the council would care about Kingstonian. and it doesn’t.
There's good reasons why the Council should care about Kingstonian. Although it's quite understandable that it (currently) doesn't.
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They should care but we have to ask them for something realistic. For a while we didn't seem to engage them at all as the plans with Casuals and Goals didn't need them. Then suddenly when those failed they decided we wanted them to give us the moon on a stick (a free plot of land that nobody will object to us building on). Which the Council under multiple leaders has unsurprisingly been unable to give us.
If we approached them with something realistic and achievable that would actually benefit the wider community too - for example putting in money alongside the Council and the school to help improve the athletics track, which the Council acknowledges to be tired - I'm sure they'd look on it more favourably.
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The point about maintaining a relationship is that you don't "ask only when you have something you need".
Kingstonian Football Club (est 1885) is - or should be - a sporting and cultural asset to the Borough of Kingston upon Thames. The fact that Ed Davey only cared about us when he had an election to win is shameful. The fact that the Directors of KFC only tried to talk to the Council when they needed help, is equally shameful.
The Club needs new Directors every bit as much as it needs a home in the Borough.
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Yes of course re relationships but we know this is something the board's track record at is poor - see also the relationship with Casuals breaking down, or our youth section upping sticks, or the three best managers of their era all walking away without another job to go to.
The fans made more effort with the Council than the board did, ie presenting that petition to the Council when it was still Tory. Then we had a longstanding fan get elected to the Council but the board ignored his warnings about Lovelace because he wasn't telling them what they wanted to hear.
MPs have a huge number of people and organisations competing for their attention. It is not 'shameful' if Ed Davey, who is also a party leader and a carer for his disabled son, has bigger priorities on a Saturday afternoon than trekking miles outside his constituency to watch Ks.
As you imply, the board need a proper strategy to engage the right politicians whether that's councillors, MPs and probably also Sadiq Khan's office if they still laughably believe they'll build the envy of non league on the green belt.
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As has regularly been pointed out, Kingstonian FC is not the only senior football club in the Royal Borough, and there is a need to treat all such clubs equally…
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I'd say that we are one of two clubs from the borough. Casuals are a historically nomadic club that struck it lucky due to the demise of Tolworth. They represent (sh)amateurism and not the Borough. Colliers Wood play this side of the Beverley Brook, but represent a town in Merton. That leaves us and C&H.
Agreed, the council needs to treat the clubs in the Borough equally, but it does feel like an existential crisis for the town's club would have garnered some sort of support/help from the council.
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Your comment sums up why Casuals are unable to make a relationship with K’s work … it’s not Casuals’ fault
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Never said that it was Casuals' fault and I don't blame them one bit for the mess we are in. I don't blame them for kicking us out either if what I've heard about our board's attempted hostile takeover of the ground is true. I do feel that it would have been in both clubs interest for the joint ownership and development of KGF to go ahead though. I'm of the opinion that we are Kingston's team though and we should be looking to play in Kingston and not the Borough. The board must be mad not to have even attempted the athletics stadium avenue.
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okay, I'm not a councillor anymore. but I was one for seven years and at one point a very senior one.
in most of those seven years, the only time Kingstonian was mentioned was by me or when that petition came to council. and in that farse of a scenario around Lovelace where someone who'd never seen the plot of land told K's they could build a stadium there which Bird told fans would be the envy of non-league.
There's just not a winnable argument why the council should care about such a small and dying entity when the council has so little money and can't keep childrens centres or leisure centres open. The ratio of money K's need compared to the people who'd benefit is too big. Tax payers would rightly question why the heck council money would go to a private company who publicly declared that leaving Kingston is in the best interest of Kingstonian.
Instead, K's need to come to the council and tell them what Kingstonian can do for RBK. The Athletics stadium, or other potential sites where K's £900k could have been combined with FA money and GLA funding or similar to provide a genuine benefit to the town or borough. K's could and should be all over the new school being build literally at Kingsmeadow. As the £900k has reduced significantly (even before you take into account inflation, disporortationaly high construction costs and our declining fanbase), I feel the moment has passed, but if I was in their shoes I'd still bloody well try.
There's an economic solution to our problem. But the solution isn't trying to guilt people into it. Or demanding people should help. Cos quite frankly they don't care, and why should they?
The council ain't the enemy. They just have no reason to be our friend.
I'd love someone to prove that wrong.
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Leatherhead was better than Mitcham. Surely the only choice is to go back to St George’s Field if we can.
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No assistant manager again today. It's been a month of Lane flying solo.
Adelakun is bad at football.
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Yes, I haven't seen Tutu Henriques at any ganw since the club announced his return. Some bright moments yesterday and a debut goal for Luke Stokoe. Much of the team work hard but, we we are still making costly errors. Losing a couple more to inhury
didn't help. Looking at the table, we are capable of taking points off anyone from 15th down. Statistically though, with three points for a win, if we are 9 points from safety at the turn of the year, we won't escape relegation.
Home to Wingate & F this Saturday, a club with similar gates to ours and possibly a similar budget. They are having a fine season. Anorher reversal on Saturday could well see us too far adrift unless the manager can bring in some available quality personnel to 'help' out the squad, as he did last season.
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I couldn’t be bothered to go yesterday.
We are not fighting relegation and so I just had no incentive to attend the game.
A club where those running it are clearly out of their depth, backed only now by a handful of lackies!
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