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Way forward.?

By Peter Borrett13/2 16:24Tue Feb 13 16:24:17 2024

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Posting regularly we have Taimour, Jon and Gary from the KBH group of 13 and Filipe, Rex and Damo from the supporters club. If the scenario arose where the directors were in a position to hand over the club are the KBH people and the supporters club committee aligned in a proposal and timeline or have no discussions taken place. Jon in an earlier post said there is no point in setting up a Kingstonian Trust without disclosure from current directors making a good point about time and cost of setting up.. I think in a previous post it was mentioned about setting up a supporters trust. John Bangs also made good points in favour of resurrecting the trust
If these discussions haven’t occurred then I think it’s important to make efforts to work on a common ground for a future plan that will inspire all connected with Kingstonian to work together. Anything less will not be good enough to ensure a proporous survival.

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Re: Way forward.?

By Damo15/2 12:40Thu Feb 15 12:40:17 2024In response to Way forward.?Top of thread

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Just for clarity for anyone reading,, I am a member of the supporters club but I am not “from the supporters club”. As a member of the SC, I am one voice of many. I’d like to think the SC represent my voice, but my voice does not represent the SC and my views are my own.

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Re: Way forward.?

By Cardiff Ks (reximus)13/2 17:01Tue Feb 13 17:01:10 2024In response to Way forward.?Top of thread

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Hi Peter

We have Cttee Mtg of the Supporters Club this evening. Please forgive me if I update the other Cttee members first with progress on creating a Supporters Trust, but then I promise I will reply to you after that. (If you are subscribed to the SC mailing list, you will be informed directly.)

Suffice to say that we try to communicate with the Chairman (old and new) but we don't always get a reply.

And yes, you can be sure that the SC and KBH talk to each other.

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Re: Way forward.?

By Peter Borrett13/2 21:38Tue Feb 13 21:38:39 2024In response to Re: Way forward.?Top of thread

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That’s good news
My view would be to set up the trust, look to raising £5-10k to start up a ladies team at a facility within 3 miles of the town centre. The first option would be the Athletics track which May suit as the ladies season will not be as long. This would get the name back in Kingston , build admin experience , provide a base and not overlap the main club. If and when the main club becomes a fans/community/members club then all in place.

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Re: Way forward.?

By Cardiff Ks (reximus)15/2 19:23Thu Feb 15 19:23:18 2024In response to Re: Way forward.?Top of thread

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I can see lots of positives and lots of opportunities for us establishing a Women's team, but I think our priority has to be returning Ks (a Men's team, our first team) to the Borough as our first priority.

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By SDG (SDG (Ks))15/2 20:25Thu Feb 15 20:25:12 2024In response to Re: Way forward.?Top of thread

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You could argue though that re-establishing the women's and youth teams would help with the return to the borough. It's hard to believe the Council or any other decision-maker is going to take spin about us being a "community club" seriously in our current hollowed out state.

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Re: Way forward.?

By irishk16/2 09:59Fri Feb 16 09:59:51 2024In response to Re: Way forward.?Top of thread

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100% agree with SDG.

While the club plods on without a ground, personally, I think growing boys'/girls'/womens' teams is increasingly important (maybe more important than ever) to:
a) maintain connections with Kingston - at the moment a generation is being lost
b) demonstrate a value of Kingstonian Football Club to our local community

In Northern Ireland, clubs recently completed a Social Return on Investment programme with UEFA that put a ££ value on the clubs' contribution to the local community - social, economic, health and wellbeing etc. (https://www.irishfa.com/news/2022/october/sroi-research-shows-clubs-value-to-their-communities)

This will undoubtedly prove useful to these clubs in securing public funding for facilities and it's also a pretty good PR tool in terms of appealing to sponsors.

Aside from the link-ups with KCN/Mind what real benefit can we say Kingstonian FC is bringing to the people of Kingston right now?

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Re: Way forward.?

By Mike (KsMikey)15/2 22:54Thu Feb 15 22:54:21 2024In response to Re: Way forward.?Top of thread

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A women’s team is something I’ve bought up before

And last time I raised on Twitter I was told we’d have one by the summer- that was at least a year ago

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By Filipo15/2 20:15Thu Feb 15 20:15:48 2024In response to Re: Way forward.?Top of thread

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Agree Rex. Re-building the club will involve establishing a ladies and youth team, both of which we lost under the current regime!

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By Alastair14/2 08:48Wed Feb 14 08:48:37 2024In response to Re: Way forward.?Top of thread

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Great plan Peter and just to reiterate: I’d happily support this plan to start off with a women’s team.

I’m sure others would too.

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By MaidstoneK14/2 07:59Wed Feb 14 07:59:53 2024In response to Re: Way forward.?Top of thread

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I would like the person who thumbed this down to explain why? Considering the growing popularity of the ladies game, and rightly so, this doesn’t seem a bad idea. Chel**a Lady’s play some of their games at the bridge now, this leaving a void on certain games for us to provide and those local ladies fans who can’t attend, to fill. Chatham Town ladies pull in crowds far exceeding our own games, all be it they are playing some big ladies sides, and have a great community support with a lovely ground.
I thought this was a good suggestion?

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Re: Way forward.?

By DaveK (Haver of thoughts)14/2 09:25Wed Feb 14 09:25:56 2024In response to Re: Way forward.?Top of thread

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Pro-board bootlickers or the cavemen that vote down any pro-LGBT initiative Ks have been involved in that is publicised on this message board I imagine.

It's not my message board and if it's not my place to say fine, but are the thumbs up and down worth the aggro they cause if they can potentially be turned off?

Edited by Haver of thoughts at 09:31:00 on 14th February 2024

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Re: Way forward.?

By John Bangs14/2 13:31Wed Feb 14 13:31:54 2024In response to Re: Way forward.?Top of thread

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Just to stick to the facts, both the football club and supporters club have actively supported initiatives to promote the idea that football is for all. This has included support for football against homophobia campaigns. …. So I’m not sure where this coming from . There are enough points of concern and contention without making stuff up..

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Re: Way forward.?

By DaveK (Haver of thoughts)14/2 13:38Wed Feb 14 13:38:53 2024In response to Re: Way forward.?Top of thread

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Why don't you read my comment properly before having a go?

I'm referring to the fact that a post about rainbow laces receiving down votes on here. Post is below

/forum.kingstonian.net/article/160919

Perhaps you'd like to apologise to me for accusing me of "making things up"?

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Re: Way forward.?

By John Bangs14/2 14:44Wed Feb 14 14:44:04 2024In response to Re: Way forward.?Top of thread

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On the contrary, I read exactly what you said,;and this is not the first time that one or two bigots have given a thumbs down to posts about opposition to prejudice and homophobia.

What is your invention (or perhaps your imagination) is to associate this with pro board sentiment . My point was that as the Club’s directors were fully in support of this initiative. Hence, there was no basis to that part of your assertion.

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By OptimisticK14/2 15:25Wed Feb 14 15:25:02 2024In response to Re: Way forward.?Top of thread

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On the contrary, I read exactly what you said,;and this is not the first time that one or two bigots have given a thumbs down to posts about opposition to prejudice and homophobia.

What is your invention (or perhaps your imagination) is to associate this with pro board sentiment . My point was that as the Club’s directors were fully in support of this initiative. Hence, there was no basis to that part of your assertion.


100% John Bangs!

As I understand the Club Directors would have been welcoming members of the LGBT community to this fixture. Sniping at Board not helpful.

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Re: Way forward.?

By DaveK (Haver of thoughts)14/2 14:59Wed Feb 14 14:59:34 2024In response to Re: Way forward.?Top of thread

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I wrote that it was one or the other. Because any initiative seen to be outside of what the club is currently doing, or that mentions the KBH at all even in passing, seems to attract down votes. That was my point.

I have not implied that the club or the supporters club are not supportive of LGBT initiatives.

I've not invented or imagined anything.

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Re: Way forward.?

By Mike (KsMikey)17/2 11:59Sat Feb 17 11:59:13 2024In response to Re: Way forward.?Top of thread

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Like Paddy, I read it as you’ve since explained

And yes, we do need a women’s team (and please not “ladies team” either. Very few teams call it “ladies teams”, and they don’t have a “gentlemen’s team” either)

And while we are about it - why have we not teamed up with Her Game Too, an excellent campaign group encouraging more participation at fan level, be it just going to games. I’ve mentioned this a few times on social media

As for the “likes/dislikes”, why? Why do we have it. Most not if all forums on this platform don’t have it. Most social media have dispensed with dislikes. It serves absolutely no purpose other than to feed anonymous trolls. If people don’t like a post, a simple well argued reply should be made

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Re: Way forward.?

By Paddy (Paddy1)15/2 10:40Thu Feb 15 10:40:56 2024In response to Re: Way forward.?Top of thread

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I read your original statement there just as you intended it Dave.

Problem is people will misconstrue a statement & run with their own interpretation of it - even after being informed of the true meaning of your words.

Us humans are fun like that sometimes.

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Re: Way forward.?

By Filipo13/2 19:14Tue Feb 13 19:14:37 2024In response to Re: Way forward.?Top of thread

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I wonder if Ben Flatt got to see the finances?

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Re: Way forward.?

By Count Scarlioni13/2 22:52Tue Feb 13 22:52:38 2024In response to Re: Way forward.?Top of thread

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As a director he would see the finances.

There has to be a supporters trust which encompasses all the fans, it has to be constructive in tone, and has to offer to take the shares - all the shares.

Personally the main aspect of the finances which is troublesome will be whether the shareholders want their loans repaid.

Otherwise we know the club can draw on the AFC money for a ground and obviously income is tighter than a drum but might be improved at RPV.

I would hope the shareholders would see that the club has minimal if any value but whether they will write off loans I wonder.

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Re: Way forward.?

By Alastair14/2 08:49Wed Feb 14 08:49:16 2024In response to Re: Way forward.?Top of thread

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He’s not a director.

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By Count Scarlioni15/2 00:27Thu Feb 15 00:27:56 2024In response to Re: Way forward.?Top of thread

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Ben Flatt is a director.

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By Alastair15/2 10:06Thu Feb 15 10:06:52 2024In response to Re: Way forward.?Top of thread

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You’re right, my apologies.

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