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Do long time loyal supporters who went to watch their relegated team today deserve to be shouted at by a drunken board member?
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Is there an update on the two supporters who were stupidly banned ?
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It never occurred to me that he was drunk. Just out of his depth.
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This is utterly astonishing.
Just recently, the Supporters Club had to praise the patience and wisdom of our supporters, not responding to childish goading from a group of Chatham fans. Now our supporters have had to put up with similar behaviour from a Director and Patron of our own Club.
The Supporters Club has received a number of complaints about yesterday's incident, and will be taking further action.
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Who the hell put a thumbs down on a post that said the SC committee will be “taking further action” after an incident where one of their members got drunkenly abused by a member of the board?
Backing our supporters is what the SC committee are supposed to be doing and we’re elected on that basis
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I didn’t give a thumbs down but I disagree with the SC doing anything. I had a lengthy conversation with a member of the board, we both made our points heatedly and with passion. We disagreed. We don’t like each other. That’s life. There is absolutely no way that I want the SC to do anything about it.
If it’s a different incident that I know nothing about then fair enough. But if it was my discussion with that board member, do me a favour and leave it alone.
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Your wishes should be completely respected by the SC committee
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If you put it like that, clearly not.
Another way of looking at it is that if someone is sworn and cursed at four weeks on end and eventually cracks and shout back ……….
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John, that’s appalling. A member of the board has drunkenly abused a long standing supporter and you go straight in and back the board member. You’re on the SC committee and your role is to represent the supporters.
Rememberer, the supporter didn’t seek out the board member but the board member sought out the supporters and became confrontational.
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Who was the drunken board member please Damo ?
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I don’t think it’s appropriate to publish names here. Maybe ask privately
Obviously if the person was sober than that person’s intervention with two other people backing them up is even worse. A straight abuse of power with no mitigating circumstances
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If you put it like that, clearly not.
Another way of looking at it is that if someone is sworn and cursed at four weeks on end and eventually cracks and shout back ……….
Oh spare us the nonsense Bang$, You’re a wolf in sheeps clothing.
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If you put it like that, clearly not.
Another way of looking at it is that if someone is sworn and cursed at four weeks on end and eventually cracks and shout back ……….
Oh spare us the nonsense Bang$, You’re a wolf in sheeps clothing.
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case clo$ed.
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John as always on the side of the board and not the supporters.
Let’s not forget why we had to have an overhaul of the Supporters club!
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Sorry
Do you nor believe this?
Astonishing from someone who as a representative of the fans before on the supporters’ committee
Board members hold the balance of power. If thry find something offensive then they can take moves to warn or sanction individuals. Misusing this imbalance is not acceptable, especially when they initiate it
I’d be tempted to be uncouth to you but I won’t, but frankly you need to rethink what you’ve just written
(Edit - corrected typo)
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Edited by KsMikey at 21:29:54 on 27th April 2024
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Don't worry Mike
I'm sure a thread will be bumped up below somewhere that will state how the director gave money to charity that one time weeks ago to excuse his part in the destruction of the club that's latest decades
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None of them can escape that don't matter how much they give to charity ," the destruction of the club" yourgos included.
Edited by Korky1 at 18:42:13 on 17th June 2024
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The board have already lied to the fans within those four weeks (AFCW money used for budget then countered with that ludicrous statement). These arent white lies either, lying to us as if we are idiots or as one person said talked to us as if we were children. One board member called the SC liars on here about a rearranged q+a but was found out in the end on that one.
Respect is a two way street. Disrespect the fans then expect it back, the difference being the club NEEDS the fans. Owners come and go
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Fans come and go too judging from our attendances.
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Kingstonian moved away from the fans not the other way around. If they came home it would be a different story
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We have lost a whole generation of fans now. If I was young and lived in Kingston why would I go to watch Kingstonian play in Raynes Park let alone Mitcham?
It is a real tragedy. Non league clubs have no right to existence - look at Staines Town. In many ways their extinction has relevance for Ks. Put out of business by a cruel owner, the fans who wanted to started to follow Staines & Lammas (Middlesex) but that club now groundshares ar Abbey Rangers so there is no football team in Staines. Brentford got a five year lease on Wheatsheaf Park but there is no accommodation then for Staines & Lammas. Someone tried to form a Staines Town AFC but there was not enough support or money.
Kingstonian is only still there because of the blood money. Whilst I can understand that it was Khosla and AFC Scumbledon who removed our ground, why have the directors of the club made so little progress on a new one in seven years? And given seven years have elapsed, what reason is there to think this new board will do any better? In any event even if by some chance they do find a site, surely we must be the same time again from playing there.
Everything depends on developing a new ground - which seems improbable - or finding a sensible long term groundshare. Perhaps Raynes Park is it, it is after all only three miles from Kingsmeadowa and the 131 runs close by.
The other point is the football. Teams need to be successful at step four to generate interest. Walton & Hersham came back from step six and Chertsey Town have been promoted. W&H had a crowd of 651 yesterday literally a tenfold increase from pre-covid seasons. However I can only see Ks struggling at step four, it is a competitive hard fought league. I can’t see myself flocking to Raynes Park for a lower mid table clash with Hanworth Villa or just as likely a relegation decider.
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Cmon count lay the blame where it is.Anderson Winwright and Fenwick,removed the club from Kingsmeadow not AFC or Khosla ,they sold the balance of the playing arrangement back to AFC for a 150,000 pounds payout when they could have negotiated the seven years left to play alongside Chelsea.AFC offered to speak for KS ,the directors. ,preferred the money.
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Korky1,who owned Ks when the tenancy agreement that had 7 years left was agreed?
Ksuals
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Kinting,
Mr Khosla agreed a twenty year playing arrangement for KS with AFC ,KS paid for nothing other than rent too the council.AFC paid for everything including bar staff on oir match days it was the strongest ground share agreement in football,KS had s great chance to create
something as my old boss Jim Cochrane demonstrated with the team that was produced during his tenure.The 7 years left on the 20 years was that which Anderson + co traded for 150,000 pounds when they could have played alongside Chelsea but without the money. If anybody knows Colin Dedmans t/no speak to him he knows more than any of us.
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Korky1 there was a point put out at the time that the land needed for AFCW to increase seating to meet EFL rules was owned by the council,who in exchange for the land got an agreement for Ks to be tenants. Your post would imply this wasn't so.
What I find strange is that as AFCW aim all along was a return to Merton they didn't insert break clauses in the tenancy agreement.
How does the £150,000 equate to the report larger sum given to Ks
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The land you refer too was a two MTR perimeter leasehold by the council and was sold to A F C for that very purpose,the agreement was drafted by Khosla without break clauses and was accepted by AFC.The 150,000 pounds was for the surrender of the balance of the playing arrangement(7) years and as well as the purported million .The council had no hand in KS staying at Kingsmeadow it was Khosla who made sure KS stayed.
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Thanks for the info Korky1.
Do you think if the board had in place a viable alternative ground option going forward,leaving 7 years early would not have been an issue?
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It was always an issue, s million pounds is nothing a ground costs 20-30 million ask AFC ,they had little chance of seeing that through it's why the took the money,the real test would have been to stay and try to win over Chelsea,if t?hey wanted the ground badly enough they would have to honour the agreement KS had with AFC,legal and binding.
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Korky didn't you mention that there was only 7 years left on Ks tenancy? Maybe CFC would extended maybe not,taking the payment for early exit in itself was perhaps not the biggest issue but the absence of a viable ongoing new/ground share.
I spoke to some who voted against Ks ground sharing with them on a permanent basis due to arrogance on the part of Ks in the negotiations feeling it was in their words akin to a ' hostile take over'.
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The prime example being C/Casuals ,KS wanted to take over the head lease in exchange for investing the million in the ground , the council told KS speak to C/C not us,KS booted out.
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I spoke to some who voted against Ks ground sharing with them on a permanent basis due to arrogance on the part of Ks in the negotiations feeling it was in their words akin to a ' hostile take over'.
Is this about Corinthian-Casuals? Funny how the board defenders were determined to blame it all on the fans when relations broke down with them.
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I thought the fans got on quite well, everybody knew each other really. It was the directors Anderson Fenwick and Winwright who fucked it up, not the fans.
Edited by Korky1 at 17:04:12 on 21st July 2024
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No not Casuals, Chessington and Hook .
I know nothing about Casuals situation so leave it to you to find it funny
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It would take a lot more than a million to sort that place out.
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Well for me it will always be an issue,when this club was.passed to those directors it was on the.proviso that they kept their promises and one was to never leave the ground while we.had tenure,Jim admits he got them wrong,they should have stayed and built a rapport with Chelsea who knows where it may have led,but too sell the club out for money ,its too much.Nice to talk.
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Always amazed how much your old boss has shared with you, Korky!
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There is plenty more ,we are KS through and through ,we. have been supporting since we we re 10 if he replies as himself we don't want him accused of sour grapes, I have been in it with Jim Colin Dedman and Bill. McNally since day one, ask me another. I don't know what you think but it's how we have lived ,ho nest and friendly and helpful, how the directors promised they.would.be before they.renaged on everyhing and whatever you might be thinking ,openess truthfulness and respect for everybody else got the club back up and running,for them to lie their way in and rape it.
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Well said count, don't forget the board
rejected the offer from AFC to renegotiate the last 7 years of our tenure with them and Chelsea in favour of an extra 150,000 pounds payout.
Edited by Korky1 at 05:34:21 on 23rd June 2024
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Who phil that is not on ?
Or can it not be said online mate
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You have a one in four chance of guessing it correctly 😂
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"Finally, on this subject – I would like to urge all Ks’ Board Members to get behind the supporters in a positive manner – we do not need the negativity that has come from a small minority of “Board Members”, who know who they are, and, simply put, it will not be tolerated. We will not hesitate to impose long-term bans on any Board Members who individually or collectively continuously create a negative atmosphere at our matches and abuse Supporters online or otherwise – we need everyone to pull together and help us to make our club great again. Simply put – OUR CLUB NEEDS YOU!"
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I hope this is taken further
It’s unacceptable and abuse of power as well as deliberate provocation
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Problem is the current board haven't shown any care towards the fans and their first step as the new board (with the statement) was essentially telling us to not ask anymore questions or be banned.
They also have shown twice now that they won't respond to the SC.
Both the ban of a board member and the survey results emails were ignored by the SC
The survey results the board should be thanking the SC for doing and actively working on the findings
Does make you wonder how serious they take the fans of this club
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Makes you wonder why someone who has complained about the “industrial language” from some fans, on this forum,can then be there and allow someone to misuse their position in such a way. It kinda the thing that may drive people from not going to a match
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Because people do mad things when they’ve been on the piss all day
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I hope this didn't create a negative atmosphere.
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I wasn’t there today.
What happened?
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