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Twitter-gate
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The Supporters Club has received confirmation from the Chairman that the Club accepts that neither of the two individuals blocked from the Club's X (Twitter) posted anything threatening or intimidating, or sent intimidating private messages. The Club accepts that there is no need for the two individuals to be blocked on a permanent basis, and the blocks will be lifted in due course.
The Supporters Club wishes to remind supporters that it is against FA rules to post comments on club or league websites and/or social networking sites that are or maybe perceived as: offensive, insulting, abusive, threatening, racist, discriminatory, or any other reference that may cause offense or harm to others.
It would appear that some people have made abusive phone calls to Simon Bangs, the Club's Communications Officer, and sent abusive Direct Messages (these have come from X accounts where the author cannot be identified).
Simon has had to change his number and has reported the matter to the police. Clearly, this needs to stop.
Kingstonian Supporters Club
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Re: Twitter-gate
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Simon has asked me to pass on his grateful thanks to the Supporters Club for the message you put out there urging that the sending of abusive calls and messages be ceased. Simon has though nonetheless decided not to take up the role of the Club's Communications Officer due to the harassment he received and asked me to pass on this information on to the Forum.
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I don’t blame him after the abuse he got.
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I don’t blame him after the abuse he got.
I think it's important to note that criticism is not the same as abuse.
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Sometimes I find it difficult to keep track of all that's posted.
My impression is that there was both abuse and criticism . That's important to remember,also important to remember is that many on here condemned that abuse .
Ksuals
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What a shame! thought the young man was doing great.
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fair play to the lad for having a go
but he made some big mistakes and someone should have been helping him out. whoever was his senior is probably more to blame than Simon, but I think we should all wish all the best to all the people who’ve run that twitter, whether for a week or a decade
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Gosh, you Bangs Clan really need to get over yourselves.
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Wow. Makes Brian Clough’s time as Leeds manager look long and uneventful by comparison.
So I take it despite doing absolutely nothing wrong, and being patient and civil throughout, I don’t get an apology from Simon for him repeatedly libelling me publicly to 11,000 people?
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There was one statement of which you complained (now deleted ) and this was from the football club - not an individual. If you remain concerned you should express this concern to the Kingstonian FC. People should not be trying to target an individual with harassment that in some cases is bordering on criminality . I am sure that is not your doing but as you have seen the Supporters Club have urged that this cease.
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Stop conflating whether or not I’m owed an apology with this!
Obviously, it is dreadful that Simon was exposed to harassment in the brief period he was undertaking his role. That is terrible and I condemn it wholeheartedly.
But equally, it is really poor that he (and it was he, not “the club” or Yioryos is someone else) repeatedly doubled down on messages insinuating that I had abused him. Those messages have been deleted but I haven’t had the apology I’m clearly due.
Both these things are separately true. Please stop conflating them as a straw man argument.
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Haha, you're more likely to have a general election before Ks will issue an apology for anything!
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Which one?
The one after the next one? Or the one after that?
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Neither witty or imaginative to have one
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The SC, quite rightly, acted days ago to call out the abuse but this is now deflecting from the separate issue of Alastair being owed an apology. Whether that should come from 'the club' as an entity, or an individual, depends on who signed off what but one way or another he's owed an apology.
The SC's post four days ago shows that the Chairman is well aware of the issue. There should be no need for Alastair to jump through any other hoops.
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I think part of the problem is that "the football club" (ie the @KingstonianFC account) very quickly started posting in the first person, thus making it clear that an individual was offering their own personal view from the club account. Just naivety I'm sure, but doing that absolutely blurred the lines between the entity of the club and the person posting on its behalf.
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You might not think it matters. but let’s assume it does for the time being. deleting a post doesn’t in and of itself undo the damage. it’s all about due prominence. furthermore there’s nothing about systems checks to stop it happening again, further damaging the reputation of Kingstonian
I’ll ask again as I didn’t see a reply last time
who should the complaints be made to?
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My understanding is that complaints should be submitted directly to the Club Chairman and I do agree that as people have continuing concerns that they should take them up with Kingstonian FC.
I wonder if I can check whether you agree with IrishKs (who is otherwise very critical of the Club actions)
“ The idea that a new club volunteers have allegedly been harassed in ways that border criminality is a disgrace. I think all K's fans would agree. Hopefully he is ok.”
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The Supporters Club has already stated that abusing volunteers is not acceptable.
However, I am yet to see any evidence to support this, despite asking you several times.
Criticism or merely being unpleasant is not abuse.
Kingstonian Supporters Club
Edited by K Supporters Club at 10:57:55 on 22nd May 2024
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‘ The Supporters Club has already stated that abusing volunteers is not acceptable.”
Yes, and as a supporters club member of many years, I was pleased to see that being reaffirmed.
I don’t think it is possible for the information reported to the police to be shared. I do though realise that this means you’re unable to comment on the detail of it.
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I wonder if I can check wether you think the comments about the two twitter users on a public forum was acceptable. Each time it's brought up you deflect from it at lightning speed?
Concerning considering that you are a club official.
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it’s clear that harassing to a criminal extent is wrong
I don’t think we need to get every Ks fan to say that here, but seeing as you asked direct I’m happy to
I don’t think that negates anything I’ve said
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Hmm - remind me again. Is libel a criminal offence ?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criminal_libel
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Re: Twitter-gate - Abuse of Volunteers
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The idea that a new club volunteers have allegedly been harassed in ways that border criminality is a disgrace. I think all K's fans would agree. Hopefully he is ok.
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Separate to allegations of harassment against individuals, the Club's recent comms performance has been absolutely wild - misleading accusations to its 11k followers and wholly unprofessional exchanges on Twitter, followed by a complete lack of accountability.
Once again though, just like the AFC money, we're told to move forward, don't look back, ask no questions, and of course never apologise or take responsibility.
This fish is rotten from the head down.
Sack the board.
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Simon has though nonetheless decided not to take up the role of the Club's Communications Officer due to the harassment he received
Absolutely zero to do with libeling people I'm sure. Did Simon offer any comment on that? It was a huge PR own goal he made for the club
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Did he send an apology as part of his resignation?
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Re: Social Media Update
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As can be seen from earlier posts, the Supporters Club had approached the Football Club to resolve concerns about this matter and have helped facilitate a resolution. The original posts and news items have now been deleted and a replacement statement will be prepared shortly. The need for issuing apologies has been raised and is receiving active consideration.
The Football Club is, I understand, also going to highlight the importance of adherence in future to the FA Guidelines to which the Supporters Club referred and will prepare local guidance based on these.
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Thank you. I’m glad that the original Twitter posts and the news items have been deleted. That closes this really silly matter.
If there needs to be a discussion over an apology, then clearly any apology won’t be genuine, so I can’t say I’ll now now be bothered if I get one or not. It’s like with kids: if they’re made to apologise and do it in a surly way, they’re obviously not actually sorry at all. But we are dealing with adults here, so I have to say I find it a bit depressing really.
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Well if that ain't one massive deflection of a comment.
The need for issuing apologies has been raised and is receiving active consideration - This however shows the disdain the board has to the fans along with the fact it took this long to even get to this stage
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A positive solution has been reached offline and update to follow in due course
Latest from Kingstonian twitter... You can't make it up. Positive for who??
Why offline, unless of course the two accused agreed to that?
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This is absolutely outrageous.
This post - which has not been deleted - states that followers who have "repeatedly" used "threatening language, swearing or abuse of our volunteers and staff" have been blocked.
As I understand it, 2 followers have been blocked.
I know for sure that one of them (@kingstonroadend) didn't do anything repeatedly, didn't use threatening language, possibly swore once, but did not abuse volunteers and staff. And the statement above confirms that.
The fact that this incorrect insinuation remains online, and has not been retracted or apologised for, is a complete disgrace. The post needs to be deleted and a public apology offered to the two users.
Furthermore, if the blocking was done without the consent of the board, whoever did it should be removed from their post, and the board should put in arrangements to ensure that they can properly oversee public statements made on behalf of their club. If the board was involved then they too should offer an apology.
Sack the board.
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I agree with every word of Gary's post.
I accept that I facilitated an embarrassing compromise in order to get the blocks on Alastair and Jamie lifted. I did so on the basis of assurances I was given that a retraction and apologies would follow quickly.
More than 24 hours later and nothing.
Sack the board.
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Surely if those accusations were made public then an apology should be public aswell? But that should be down to the victims of this to determine what a worthy apology should be
Obviously the personal abuse to Simon Bangs needs to stop
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Is it ok to speak the truth ?.
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I don’t think that excuses the public claims that people were repeatedly being threatening / abusive, when they weren’t.
if anything, it was that in itself which was repeatedly abusive
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Agree with this also at the same time
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Whilst the Club has accepted neither Alastair nor Jamie posted anything threatening or intimidating, I don't feel the Club's statement goes far enough.
I have asked the Club to publish an appropriate apology to the individuals concerned.
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