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Kingstonian is dying

By Cardiff Ks (reximus)3/10 17:19Thu Oct 3 17:19:30 2024

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Music, schmusic. We are totally missing the point.

Kingstonian FC is dying. Our average gate so far this season, despite playing some attractive, winning football, despite moving a little bit closer to home (and to a much better venue) and despite half-price entry for the last two months, is under 250. And it's only that good because we were at home to our landlords on Bank Holiday Monday.

Of course it's entirely legitimate to debate whether the team should be running out to "Tears for Fears", or something else. (And the fact suddenly we're not, might shine a light on what the Directors think of the supporters.)

But the truth remains that the Club is dying and the Directors don't seem capable of doing anything about it.

As Secretary of the Supporters Club, I'll continue posting newsletters and player interviews and updating the Match Centre and helping to arrange travel to away games and running an online shop - and doing everything else I can think of to try and keep morale up.

But increasingly, I find myself asking why I bother.

Rex

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Re: Kingstonian is dying

By jon tolley3/10 17:40Thu Oct 3 17:40:40 2024In response to Kingstonian is dyingTop of thread

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I do agree and have thought it for some time

but what’s next?

it seems there’s not the appetite to form a new ckub, so we just watch it die and piss away the Wimbledon money.

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Re: Kingstonian is dying

By JamieB (JBreeze)3/10 17:53Thu Oct 3 17:53:58 2024In response to Re: Kingstonian is dyingTop of thread

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Problem is Jon

The club maintain the SC is a minority with their views.

One board member personally told me they were happy aslong as they could have a pint with their mates on a Saturday when I suggested something cost free and progressive for them to try. To then say I should form my own club if I don't like it.

I offered my professional expertise to be shat down upon by a board member who fell asleep in said meeting who does not as far as aware hold the expertise I do in business banking and start up lending

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Re: Kingstonian is dying

By FOLEY3/10 18:10Thu Oct 3 18:10:14 2024In response to Re: Kingstonian is dyingTop of thread

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The hawkers thing is a shame

I personally think that could have been good.

Was like going back home.

Cannot understand why the YMCA would not be interested only think is I can think off is that they would have wanted a large pay bit who knows.

As far as I was aware all the risk and everything would have been in KS name.

Food for thought

Anyhow other options are needed and have heard through the grapevine things are being worked on but don't know where that's honest.

Need to find somewhere ASAP and get the wheels in motion

The team though is playing some good stuff and have to agree I like RPV and feel very welcome there.

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Re: Kingstonian is dying

By FOLEY3/10 20:32Thu Oct 3 20:32:18 2024In response to Re: Kingstonian is dyingTop of thread

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Dislikes so pointless even trying to speak on here.

Rex fair play to your comments but I honestly feel ymca wanted more out of it but that's by the by

We still need to find a new ground which was always going to be hard but seems harder now.

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Re: Kingstonian is dying

By JamieB (JBreeze)3/10 20:34Thu Oct 3 20:34:30 2024In response to Re: Kingstonian is dyingTop of thread

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You think they should have given up their land for free? And the have them thank us for it ?

If you fell asleep writing that you are more than qualified to be on the board

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Re: Kingstonian is dying

By Ks Supporters Club (K Supporters Club)3/10 19:40Thu Oct 3 19:40:01 2024In response to Re: Kingstonian is dyingTop of thread

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By Cardiff Ks (reximus)3/10 19:51Thu Oct 3 19:51:03 2024In response to Re: Kingstonian is dyingTop of thread

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The Club's failure to secure the Hawker site really rings alarm bells for me. Seemingly, everything was right - it was in everyone's best interest and even the Council wanted to happen.

Yet the Club were unable to close the deal. And then they burnt their bridges with an arrogant statement, blaming YMCA rather than trying to understand their concerns. It feels like that was our last best chance - frankly it was the only thing many of us were clinging on to. And now it's gone.

Rex

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Re: Kingstonian is dying

By jon tolley3/10 22:09Thu Oct 3 22:09:54 2024In response to Re: Kingstonian is dyingTop of thread

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I don’t think there’s anything to say the council wanted it to happen?

it may be true but I’ve seen nothing to suggest that

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By FOLEY4/10 18:47Fri Oct 4 18:47:53 2024In response to Re: Kingstonian is dyingTop of thread

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Hi Jon

I have it from good authority from someone in the council they did. ( not the club)

Also bigger picture why would the council not want that to happen surley that would be good for them.

Local schools in that area was a good catchment area for support for us as well.

That place is and was falling apart improvement would only have made it better surley

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Re: Kingstonian is dying

By supahoops74/10 19:18Fri Oct 4 19:18:57 2024In response to Re: Kingstonian is dyingTop of thread

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I would have thought that after RBk's disastrous handling of
planning and refurbishment of the swimming and leisure facility at the fairfield, they would have had some interest in creating a state of the art leisure facility at the Hawker site.
Its a travesty that Kingston doesn't have a major leisure centre to serve the borough. Whether Ks would be included in this, I don't know. Despite the obvious objections to development of the Hawker site, I think a pool, leisure centre and gym could easily be built there with room for a small football stadium.
The site is much bigger than people think.

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Re: Kingstonian is dying

By jon tolley4/10 19:15Fri Oct 4 19:15:32 2024In response to Re: Kingstonian is dyingTop of thread

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I don’t doubt that someone in a body of hundreds liked the idea

that’s not the same as the council being supportive of it. just like the council were never supportive of Lovelace even tho one councillor thought it’d work.

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Re: Kingstonian is dying

By jon tolley6/10 09:14Sun Oct 6 09:14:21 2024In response to Re: Kingstonian is dyingTop of thread

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just adding that this week Kingston Council announced a £8m overspend.

I think we gotta be realistic and hope that while council can give introductions it won’t - and shouldn’t - have money to contribute on a wasteful arrogant company like Kingstonian FC

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By Count Scarlioni6/10 09:32Sun Oct 6 09:32:57 2024In response to Re: Kingstonian is dyingTop of thread

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Doesn’t sound to me like the council would have any money to spare even if you were in charge.

If the Athletics ground behind Kingsmeadow is not possible and it has been said in the past it is not then I don’t really see where we can build a ground.

I think it is a fair bet that we aimed to ground share with Corinthian-Casuals and improve their ground but that turned to dust.

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By SDG (SDG (Ks))6/10 09:49Sun Oct 6 09:49:28 2024In response to Re: Kingstonian is dyingTop of thread

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'It had been said' is doing a lot of work here. It's certainly been said by board members and their allies who have never wanted it to begin with because they dreamt that 0% chances like Hawker and Lovelace were possible.

I can well believe it's been said by some people at the Council as well. Cllr Sweeney said it in a public meeting a couple of years ago, saying a football pitch wouldn't fit. As has been discussed on here at length, it would fit if you moved the discus circle a few feet.

As Jon said the other day the Council a large and complex organisation with 48 elected members and hundreds of staff. They will have differing views and misconceptions.

It's obviously possible because it works successfully so many other places. It's a case of actually making a proper case for it, including how Ks' money can help a Council with an £8m overspend improve a tired facility. But it has to start with the board accepting that ideas like Lovelace and Hawker were always completely unrealistic.

Edited by SDG (Ks) at 09:49:45 on 6th October 2024
Edited by SDG (Ks) at 09:51:06 on 6th October 2024

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Re: Kingstonian is dying

By Filipo6/10 10:11Sun Oct 6 10:11:10 2024In response to Re: Kingstonian is dyingTop of thread

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‘then I don’t really see where we can build a ground.’


Please trust me on this one, in the borough of Kingston upon Thames there are loads of places to build a ground.

Unfortunately to make it happen you have to have the right people on the board and around them with the right experience and skill sets. Then you look at our board and wonder why we are screwed!

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Re: Kingstonian is dying

By JamieB (JBreeze)3/10 22:24Thu Oct 3 22:24:21 2024In response to Re: Kingstonian is dyingTop of thread

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Sadly I offered my professional opinion to the board free of charge of course and was told to be grateful for a free of charge bank account the SC had. It was also implied I didn't know how banking worked by said member of the board who also fell asleep halfway through. Despite the fact I had been a bank manager for over 10 years

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By JamieB (JBreeze)3/10 22:26Thu Oct 3 22:26:58 2024In response to Re: Kingstonian is dyingTop of thread

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My dad buying a season ticket was responded with not good enough cos he didn't buy a 50 50

Make it make sense

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By JamieB (JBreeze)3/10 22:45Thu Oct 3 22:45:52 2024In response to Re: Kingstonian is dyingTop of thread

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Honestly don't why I bother

That said board member before he fell asleep in the SC meeting told me to form my own club then

I don't know why the SC wastes their time.

The GKs family nearly came close to assaulting a fan and we are told to just deal with it incase the managers leaves.

It is accepted as fact the players family member did this but the board don't want to upset the manager who seems to agree this is right???

In what world does a manager have that much power over the owners?

I've highlighted before the meeting was meant to bring supporters and board together but one board especially was intent in slagging off fans cos he still got his pint on Saturdays, also slagged off a bank manager for not knowing knowing protocol etc

My dad's whos a new ST holder is not welcome cos he won't buy a 50 50 but hey the goalies dad can try and assault a fan who bigged up Rob Tolfey no questions asked despite the board and manager knowing this happened

Joke

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By Paddy (Paddy1)4/10 07:11Fri Oct 4 07:11:27 2024In response to Re: Kingstonian is dyingTop of thread

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"but hey the goalies dad can try and assault a fan who bigged up Rob Tolfey"

I believe the non-violent cosmic retribution for this should be for 90 minutes of "Don't you wish your keeper was Rob Tolfrey" at the next match.

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