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Steve Dormer
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As there has been a number of questions about Steve Dormer no longer being part of the Kingstonian Board, the Supporters Club has reached out to Steve who wanted to advise the following.
In his own words:
The time has come to share my views on my short time at Kingstonian FC, and explain what happened, as so many people have been constantly asking or making their own assumptions.
I was approached by a Board member to join the Club - this was towards the build up to the end of last seasons campaign.
I made it clear from the start I would only help and assist the Club with several conditions as per the below.
A) The Club utilises the current Under 18 squad overlooked by Nigel James (possibly as director of football) as well as integrating local players and to make sure the club avoids relegation.
B) The Club becomes sustainable and self sufficient without reaching out for funds held by AFC Wimbledon any further.
C) I spent several weeks looking at budgets and forecasts and felt a budget (not to be mentioned on here) would become achievable to make this work; this was some 50% less than what’s now being paid.
D) The focus on the new ground should be more important than what happens on the playing field. My attitude was as long as the Club retains its Step 4 status the rest will fall in place possibly over a 3-5 year period.
E) Most importantly the Club integrates better with the supporters as none of this can work without the two sides singing from the same hymn sheet and working together.
This was acknowledged and seemed to go down well.
The Club was by far not home and dry - it certainly needed some hard work to stop the club from reaching out for help from the funds held for the new ground - however it was far from impossible. My past experiences in non-league football certainly left me feeling very confident indeed we could all achieve this.
I was in hospital when the interview process started and it soon became obvious that the Board were keen on a short term fix on the pitch, and the plans off the pitch became a little more distant and my plans off the pitch became more of non interest to certain individuals.
My feeling was the decision to appoint the great new management team was a short term fix to paper over the cracks - and reduce the abuse the Board were receiving - more than the correct interests of the club moving forward especially off the pitch. I have no issue at all with Scott and his management team, however I feel the decision to get someone of Scott’s pedigree would sit better once the new ground had been achieved.
Scott and his team will 100% get things right on the pitch - past experience proves this. Can the club match the team's success off the pitch? Only time will tell, but I wish Scott every success.
Before interviews were being sat, I introduced the Club to a project manager / architect - this I’m told has now fallen through at the first hurdle, due to payment issues and he has now instigated legal proceedings against the Club.
The club has eventually dipped into the AFC Wimbledon fund monies to pay the ground share costs, which I have to say are the most expensive costs for ground share I’ve known in non league football for this level.
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Honestly Foley and Coach have talked so much shit in this whole thread. Get money for the (now no manager) team over getting a ground . What fucking planet you on? Show me a homeless team that has done well before getting a ground!!! Maidstone, homeless for 24 years, we used to play against them in Ashford, Kent, and we would take more fans than their “home support”. They get their new stadium in the town centre and they get 2000 through the gates, money comes in from the gates and look at them, they start going up and up the leagues. Same for Chatham. Look at Clapton Community FC, as soon as they buy their club fans turn up and their ticket price is league set at £5 but if you can’t afford it you don’t have to pay to watch them, you’ll still be given entrance, their funds can’t be amazing, and because people turn up, players want to play for the fans, there is a real community atmosphere there, something we used to have at KM.
If our shit Board want to save face, sell to us 50.1% of the club but I’d rather they just fuck off. This is the worst of the absolute worst we’re in and it’s right there in black and white from Steve ,but you refuse to see it and just lick the boots of those who are destroying 140 years of history.
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I would be interested to know how much experience Steve Dormer has of ground share monies.
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Disappointing it hasn't worked out with Steve. I thought he might be our man to build the new ground.
As for the architect, there's still plenty of money left in the AFC Wimbledon pot to my knowledge. Let's just pay him from it and move on to the next one.
I'm sure George, Ben, Jim and John have a plan!
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The sort of long term thinking we desperately need
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One or two points in Mr Dormer's statement are very worrying indeed.
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Like?, most of what he revealed, most of us would already have known.
However, confirmation that Scott, Martyn and a talented squad
have been brought in as a 'quick fix' on a budget of 50% morw
than last season. That the architect/project manager appointed
by the board is suing the club over payment issues and lastly,
rent for a temporary ground he considers to be the highest
he's ever known at this level.
These, IMO are the most worrying points in Steve Dormer's
revelations.
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He does not say the budget is 50% more than last season but that it was 50% more than the one he looked at.
As for ground rent, the value of money has been eroded by inflation which has been almost a quarter since March 2020. Everything is more expensive, including one assumes renting someone else’s ground.
AFC Wimbledon aka the Ground Stealers sign off on the use of the blood money fund so one can assume it is used for legitimate purposes. Admittedly one worries that we won’t have any money to build a new ground but let’s face it - the prospects of doing that are dim aren’t they? Realistically the club have tried Lovelace Road and Hawkers and it has not worked out. Where else is there in the RBK? It might well be that the best one can hope for is grounding sharing at RPV which is a reasonably good location and trying to build a successful team there.
It is a real shame that he is not on the board as Steve approaches things sensibly but that is not to say that the negotiations with YMCA would have been successful if he were on the board.
What I would like to know is 1. Why was Steve presented at that meeting as if he were to be on the board and 2. Why did YMCA turn us down after what seems to have been months of negotiation?
As for the playing side I have been to some games this season and enjoyed watching the team. It is much better than the last two seasons and I am glad to see Brad saying the aim is promotion.
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If the 25k a season for ground rent is true, that is a lot of money! I know other teams who have shared step 4 grounds have paid half or less than that.
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Yes, I stand corrected regards the budget after reading the article again.
I've said time and again on here that there is nowhere in RBK
to build a ground from scratch and we don't now have the funds
anyway. Although, on the outside Hawkers was a bit fanciful, I felt something there could be viable. I spent a lot of time at Hawkers, training etc and the site is shamefully deteriorating. Something like Hawkers or Kingston Uni is our only chance to develop something of our own in 'partnership' or permanent groundshare with another club in, or outside the borough.
Yes, maybe Steve Dormer has told the board all the things they didn't want to hear.
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we’re all aware that things are being run hopelessly
I have zero confidence any significant negotiations in a ground happened. although I don’t doubt there were several emails here and there
Anyone with any integrity could not associate with those charlatans at a board level. Dormer right to walk away
I’m sad to say the sooner this version of Kingstonian winds up and we can get on with the new club, the better
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Jon,
You are well known as a sponsor and supporter of Kingstonian fc and as a former local councillor. I note, with some gratitude that you are a sponsor of KSC. You mention a 'new club' in your post.
I am not a supporter or, admirer of the present administration.
My question to you is not a criticism of you or anyone at the club with the same intentions.
What is your brief outline and plan to form a new club, either now or if the current club turns to dust?
Would you be looking to take the club down to step 5/6 or,
senior county level? Would you still pursue tenure of the atheletics track? Funding? Do you see us a Phoenix club like AFC Wimbledon or the Clapton Community model?
Whats the plan?
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As soon as the club dies the vaccuum will allowa new one. But right now these jokers are not only killing the current club but also the next one hitting the ground running
Yes I’d put money in
And personally I’d be happy with any level if near home.
Athletics track is the only option imo
Edited by jon tolley at 11:00:38 on 11th October 2024
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Thanks for your response. Things may accelerate now that Scott Harris has resigned.
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What I would like to know is 1. Why was Steve presented at that meeting as if he were to be on the board and 2. Why did YMCA turn us down after what seems to have been months of negotiation?
The question you should be asking is what will happen when the inevitable budget cut happens?
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The truth is out there!
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Well we’ve certainly seen a lot of strong, informative posts come out today from people I trust with my life. The alternative from the board and their boot lickers is the death of this club and let’s be clear, anyone now backing this board are enabling the death of the club so you will be labled as just that!
As for the likes of Foley, Dave Acton and the rest of the bum lick brigade that continue to back this absolute sham of a board, banging on about the money they’ve put in whilst turning a blind eye to whatever has been taken back out as ‘repayment of directors loans’ or the half a mill squandered on their watch despite years of reassurances it hadn’t been touched… If this doesn’t open your eyes then I’m not sure what will. I just hope you know that if you continue to back them, when Kingstonian F.C does inevitably die that you will be partly responsible for it!
There will be nothing left of this club within 3 years if we are lucky, we’ve given this board chance after chance, they don’t care and won’t listen so now we must move forward with the alternative. If you want to stick it out and plate the back doors of these fools running the club then crack on, there’ll be about 10 of you left so enough holes to share between you. The supporters will just naturally migrate to the new team, a team with a ground, a team representing Kingston not Yioryos’ ego. Yioryos, I’ve never liked you. I know you read this forum so please please please for the people of Kingston would you just do the decent thing and FUCK OFF?
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Brilliant answer ian
No worries I will cause you don't like questions back.
Phil always said I can ask hence why I am.
Anyhow this is not a fans forum it's a protesters group so crack on
No opinions are allowed only people you want
Bum licker boot licker don't kill me please better lock down my gaff tonight
Edited by FOLEY at 21:25:43 on 9th October 2024
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Foley I think the problem is despite the facts coming out you are still completely oblivious to the reality staring you in the face!
This particular post from Steve is an exclusive insight into the board and the truth on what is going on. Instead of praising him or the SC for getting this exclusive all your posts come across as defensive of this board, referring to concerned supporters as protestors!
What also worries me is some of these questions you’ve asked in your posts, you’ve asked numerous times before and you’ve been given the answers numerous times before as well.
There clearly has been an alternative way of running the club but for the life of me I just can’t fathom why you would keep backing the wrong horse!
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Pointless phil
And honestly I cannot be bothered anymore
On here people don't like what they want to hear that's all
Is what it is
Sure there is a lot of people in mine and daves so called boot licking group but just don't post on here
Crack on with this forum but this wil solve nothing
All I am saying is people cannot say it to the man's face and I think the 3 of them need a little more respect than is given
Edited by FOLEY at 21:52:37 on 9th October 2024
Edited by FOLEY at 21:53:17 on 9th October 2024
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"On here people don't like what they want to hear that's all"
Absolutely correct, that is human nature. But its nothing new on planet earth & certainly nothing new on the Kingstonian forum. It used to go the opposite way when the majority of this forum was pro-board. Any negativity was shut down fairly swiftly back in the day as I can personally attest to (& fwiw no hard feelings to anyone that did) ... now the tide has turned & the majority of this forum are anti-board, so anything alternative to that gets shut down fairly swiftly.
There will be/could be/hopefully be (delete as applicable) a time when the poles shift again. When that will be & what state the club will be in is anyone's guess.
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"No opinions are allowed only people you want" - sounds just like your mates on the current board of directors.
Foley, there's so many people out there that don't have a good word to say about the board, have knowledge of how they can't be trusted and have given in depth details of these issues.
KBH have answered your questions regarding their offers (there's evidence of all these dealings online) and yet you still seem to think there's caveats regarding this. Please, tell us your source on this? I bet good money that it's either the idiot sailing the club down shit creek, bike seat sniffing Jim, or big Dave. Remove the wool covering your eyes and be on the right side of history and don't let a pathetic individual's ego kill the club.
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Off course they will things with you guys will be so much better
Good luck
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A proactive board acting for the benefit of the club in conjunction with the fans. Is that not better than listening to what master says and believing everything you hear?
You fail to address one thing that Steve Dormer, the supporters club and KBH have said about the board and trying to deal with them. Dave is blinded by loyalty with the chairman. What's your excuse? Please don't give it the different opinions spiel and actually give some reasoning behind what your saying. Give me some examples of all the good things the current incumbents have done since they've been on the board.
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You popular with your likes
Well done you give yourself a pat on the back
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Well done on not giving a straight answer. You were the one complaining about a lack of discussion and a reasonable question has been asked. The avoidance of an answer speaks for itself.
Read the room. Maybe the likes and dislikes are telling you that you and the board aren't actually in the majority that you thought you were in.
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Off course they will things with you guys will be so much better
Foley this board are the lowest of low bars.
What really worries me though Paul is you’ve not even commented on what Steve has said, why would you not be concerned?
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And yes I got a thumbs down
And this is not personal is it
Also how come no one says this to the man's face not just you but in general and has to say it from.a distance or online
Edited by FOLEY at 21:30:28 on 9th October 2024
Edited by FOLEY at 21:32:29 on 9th October 2024
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Foley, when the club dies will you still be in denial? Will you still be hanging out with Yioryos and Jim? Or will you just go and watch Sutton like you’ve been doing for the past 15 years anyway?
This is not aimed solely at you but anybody that chooses to back this shambles of a board.
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Will you be with all you mates as well.
Lot of questions being asked tonight BTW
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‘Will you be with all you mates as well.’
Yes I will Paul. In case you haven’t noticed I very rarely attend games anymore whereas I used to be hardcore, going multiple seasons without missing a single game. My reason for lack of attendance over recent years is because unlike yourself I don’t buy into the bullshit fed to us by the current/previous board. It’s pretty clear that the club is on the road to death and I don’t want to be too attached when it goes!
A couple months ago I visited Rex in Cardiff and have plans with him at the end of the month. I meet up with Bill and regularly talk to a few others. That’s because they are actually my mates. Yioryos isn’t your mate, when have you ever socialised with him away from the club?
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Lot of questions being asked tonight BTW
Something I think we can all agree on
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Careful Jamie could be assault
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Same old record, does this forum do anything other than throw sh*t at people?
We are all paying our money, and have been for many years, and get frustrated when it don't go to plan on the pitch.
Now you guys have the attention of the players you just rubbished, how do you think their chats are gonna be at training after the reply you had tonight - F-cking clueless you are!
Foley does have a point, just a protest group on here, and not a realistc positive solution between you!
Carry on sucking your lemons, the rest of the park want to watch the game and have a beer after!
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What point does he have? There are statements made by multiple different people and groups, failed negotiations with numerous partners and yet people still try and defend the board.
Nobody has slagged any of the players off. Yes, we concede goals and score a lot as well. Comes with the territory playing that way. Scott and the boys have all our support, but in the grand scheme of things it means nothing with this current lot killing the club.
You go enjoy your beer, we'll suck our lemons and try and save the club and Yiorg will suck the life out of what remains of the club (and apparently common sense and free thinking out of anyone that will listen to him).
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Your turn coach
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Suom, how refreshing to hear you and yer pals are gonna try and save the club - superb.
You can start by going up to someone and asking how you can help!
Raising cash for Scott would be a great start as he will be very grateful!
Stop throwing Sh*t from a distance and help.
The constant slagging has only resulted in the players feeling got-at.
Park the bile and help!
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Your post wonderfully highlights the short term thinking that got us into this mess.
Off the pitch needs to be sorted first. Raising money for Scott does not help in the slightest for our future.
Heck I'd even take another relegation if it secured Kingstonians future because believe it or not unless the off the pitch gets sorted we will no longer have a club.
Believe it or not people have offered to help and were rejected or ignored (see case in point about attendance survey).
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Let me enlighten you, clubs survive on cash generation, whether it be donations, through the gate or a good youth set up. That is it, great intentions are just pie in the sky, raising cash is the lifeblood. Everything else is just noise.
You have a choice- raise cash for Scott or raise cash for the club - the rest is just NOISE.
At CHUFC they have a sign up in the clubhouse " Before you moan about something, what are you doing to help".
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Surely it's down to the board to raise cash for the club through sponsorship. marketing whatever. They gotta be minted
they turned down they £30.000 a season from fans who wanted to help out.
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I think it’s *because* clubs survive on cash we should all be very concerned that well over HALF A MILLION POUNDS has disappeared, with us having nothing to show for it
Edited by jon tolley at 09:47:11 on 10th October 2024
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Don't forget Anderson and Winwright in all this ,perhaps they could throw light on missing half a million.
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I'll start Korky
Ground share - playing budget.
Maybe there'll be repeated accusations of theft from one of the regular posters. If so let's hope this time hard facts will be provided to back it up.
Ksuals
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Theft!! A balance sheet would suffice.
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The money was only for ground share no budget,
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If your car broke down would you keep putting petrol into it and hope that it works again miraculously?
Or
Take the advice of mechanics to get it back up and running smoothly.
In terms of the club Steve Dormer clearly felt we needed to prioritise off field for the future of the club and he was well qualified to carry out the task
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Jamie, if I wanna know what Steve thinks I will bell him and have a chat - we go way back!
Now you are talking about a F*cking imaginary car?
I explained to you how a club survives - not hard to grasp!! Do it from inside or just make noise from agar!
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My dad always told me don't argue with idiots, they will bring you down to their level and beat you with experience so I shall bow out here
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Good decision lad, you can make space for someone who's balls have dropped - lol.
Keep protesting!
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Was Steve Dormer also not questioned why is he on the board and he has also no experience at the time
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It wasn't an interview. He was asked why he left and sent his response.
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After the tootaing meeting he was questioned by you guys was he not
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I wasn't involved with that so I cant answer that question. But the board did want to bring him on. He was also presented as the vice chairman I believe.
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Yep, only one at that Q&A that talked any sense on behalf of the Board.
Brought onboard for his expertise and experience and then typically of the remaining board his opinions and facts were completely ignored and he's had to step away from it.
Unfortunately his statement provided to us would have been of no surprise to the vast majority of us.
Paul
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