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The Chairman's latest statement
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As told to a loyal supporter:
"It's MY club. You can fuck off."
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A sad day
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I heard this too, first hand.
I also heard the (self appointed) chairman's wife (not sure whether she has an official position) threatening to "sue" K's fans. Not a clue what it was all about, but it wasn't a good look.
This is NOT Kingstonian.
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Isn’t she an official of the Supporters’ Club? Is this behaviour unbecoming of an official (trying to avoid a double negative)
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Has anyone thought he's like a child who doesn't want to share something?
He might not want the club but doesn't want anyone else to have it either and due to an innate confrontational nature probably enjoys the mayhem it causes?
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He has 50 shares out of 125issued.
Edited by Count Scarlioni at 19:09:20 on 12th October 2024
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And .he paid 10000 pounds, 50. Pounds would be more like it, just hope he didn't borrow against his property.
Edited by Korky1 at 19:52:29 on 12th October 2024
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Some one said 119 shares issued.
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Absolutely disgraceful. The attitude of a child not willing to share a toy!
Kingstonian FC belongs to the people of Kingston and the Supporters of OUR football club.
We must reclaim what is ours!
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Alas no it doesn't
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Hear, Hear.
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Can anybody tell me how much each share is worth.
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According to Jim Page today, him and Yioryos have put £20k into the club. That is all! What an utter utter disgrace that they control the club after such meagre investment.
A reminder that KBH offered £30k a year - MINIMUM - as gifts for 5 years. Let alone the extra commercial income etc etc.
Jim seems genuinely proud of the fact they’ve put in £20k. It’s dire.
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No. That may have been the purchase price of shares that was referred to . The Directors also then give regular donations to the club that are very well in excess of your offer - In this year about double. Even so we have drawn down the rent from AFC.
Your £30k with no. AFC rent draw down might just about give you enough money to operate at step 6
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If Step 6 is what it takes to have a functional organisation and one thst is sustainable
I’d take it
It might be depressing being there for a few seasons but in the long-term it would probably be what is needed
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Since moving away from the borough I've taken to watching and helping out at the local Southern Combination League club.
Far from ' depressing' it's the opposite,vibrant youth and women's teams nice club house, decent match day food and a very friendly and sociable atmosphere. Football can still be very enjoyable a few levels down from Ks.
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Walton & Hersham sank down to level six in 2019 and notwithstanding Covid staged an amazing comeback to level three …. With the players who make up most of our present team …. So it can be done.
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Thanks for being on forum and engaging and always being courteous and honest.
Your message is interesting. It implies the Directors have put in 60k in donations this season?
Also the KBH plan wouldn't have been "only" 30k a season. It would have been 30k plus gate receipts (40k) plus sponsorship (30k) plus expertise plus not being led by a divisive incompetent (the Chairman, not you). It is true that to sustain even a step 4 team you probably need to generate something close to 100k over the 10 months. Fine. That is a challenge. It takes good administration, marketing, a productive and engaged fanbase. Yiorgios has never possessed and will never possess the people skills to run an organisation like a football club. Maybe KBH couldn't either. We often self-critically wondered that. We tested one another, identified our strengths and weaknesses, pondered what could go wrong. I fear self-awareness does not burden the current chairman.
I wasn't there today so i won't comment. But perhaps, when the dust settles, at some stage, Yiorgios will ask himself if he is the right man for the task.
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When he does ,it will be to late.
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Hey John, thanks for finally sharing some numbers, we've been after them for a long time now. Without wanting to show our hand too much, this is pretty much why my broken record keeps saying "minimum" for the KBH offer - we simply didn't know for sure because we were blocked, but absolutely could have covered whatever it cost to stop the draw down and stay competitive at the same time. Why was it turned down?
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I think it was turned down because the KBH group wanted to control a majority of the shares in the company. At that time the shareholders would have thought Hawker could work out and if Ks returned to Kingston, the shares would have some value. In any event relationships between three parties even then when Messrs Anderson and Winwright were involved had deteriorated to the point that the chances of any constructive discussion let alone a deal were nugatory.
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Well I had no involvement and only heard about it after the event when the offer had already been withdrawn.
Therefore, Ican’t speak authoritatively having not been involved directly. However, it sounded likedirectors/ shareholders it did not want to give up control to new majority owners. You only gave them two weeks to consider the final offer although I realise the first part dragged on incessantly.. I must admit that I was puzzled at the time while your group didn’t come back for further discussions, but I really don’t want to start casting aspersions because I know you were acting in good faith and from a desire to support the club.
I can see that you were hamstrung by lack of information, but then the previous owners were under no obligation to sell the Club.
I believe Yioryos did approach you informally to explore whether you would have any interest in something more of the kind of the first offer that was discussed. It sounded like you were only interested in majority control. If you guys are still interested in the issue, I just thought there might be merit in having some form of conversation about this. Speaking, purely personally, I was then! The other factor is that both Jim and I are over 70 and neither see ourselves running the club for years and years so we ought to be looking at succession planning.
I don’t know if we can get to a place where things are less confrontational and discussions are based on actual facts but it might be interesting to try
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Thanks for the response John, this forum is better for your input. You are absolutely correct in your assessment that the only person common throughout all this did all he could do to stop losing control.
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Yioryos does not have control now and did not then - he used to have only six shares so at the time he would not have been a prime mover in how to deal with the approach. People had many more shares than him at that time and they would have made the calls because between them, they controlled the company.
Even now he holds 50 shares which falls short of a sufficient number to control the club because there are more than 100 share in issue.
It is possible that there is a shareholders agreement or tag along rights which require a minority to vote with a majority decision on eg to sell the shares.
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Increasingly i think succession planning has to look like fan ownership in some guise. Equally it may be a new majority shareholder with a modicum of relevant experience and powers of persuasion who galvanises fans back into sponsorship, engagement and volunteering.
But Yiorgios would have to give up control. He will never rally people to the/(his) cause. Whether you think his unpopularity is earned or unearned, it is a fact and can't be ignored.
We also need to be realistic about a new ground and what compromise solutions would look like.
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I think a supporters trust would be a fantastic vehicle to hold shares in the club and move this forward.
In the recent past the chairman suggested that a supporters trust hold 10 percent of the shares - which would be a good start.
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Re the new ground - if fans,or the majority of the fans do want ita) in the borough and b) within the confines of the original Kingston borough boundary (pre-merger) [KMwas in Malden and Coombes], then a lot of compromise is needed if on,y to find green space or brownfield sites thst is not bring earmarked for housing development
Equally we as a. Lub need to be able to offer something to the community and equally important something to local councillors. The next election is in 2026 and the LibDemd will once again hold almost all the seats, but they will need to show something other then a Tory bogeyman and a filled hole where the Kingfisher once was. Some sort of tie-in with a community sports facility, especially in the south of the borough (ie Hook or Chessington) will be seen as something potentially of interest- years ago they promised a swimming pool in Chessington.
As for JB’s suggestion about taking the current antagonism out of the relationship between the fans and the board, I’d agree. The board members need to show willingness not to make crass statements, “toxic segment” and flicking people off at away matches. Equally fans need to give them a chance, although most have for some time
As I’ve mentioned elsewhere- I’d be willing to help with a voluntary role but under the current regime as it stands - no. I won’t go to home games either and frankly the few decent away games hsv3 been and gone midweek (or will be by next weekend)
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It is worth mentioning that after Meeting No1 with Mark Anderson, Anderson subsequently told us that he was enthusiastic about KBH, Hayward was keen, Fenwick open-minded and Yiorgios ... dead against. Right from the start. And, at that stage, it was about a mere minority stake to facilitate investment and fan involvement.
Now Yiorgios says "i offered a stake in 2024 and they said no". But why would anyone dedicate time and money while Yiorgios is Chairman and driving decision-making? There is simply zero evidence that he can be relied upon.
I would wholly back an alternative ownership (as a fan, as a volunteer, as a donor) but it can't be this current configuration (Yiorgstonian).
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This was when he offered to put shares into a supporters trust. I think it is worth doing myself because it is a fantastic structure to hold shares in a football club, tried and tested.
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Well, my view is that if there is serious commitment to fan ownership then some form independent supporters trust should be set up. If one is set up I will personally join it. I would be happy to gift it my 5% share holding. What one cannot expect of the Directors is for us to obstain from seeking other individual financial backers in hopes that one day there will be a supporters organisation capable of taking over the running and resourcing of a football club.
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if only there was some sort of business / marketing understanding instead of relying on people’s life savings
John, are you persoanlly happy to be linked to what the chairman has done today? You’re a good guy, I can’t believe you could be apathetic on this
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I wasn’t at the match but for months I have heard people abusing Yioryos at matches. IIf he’s finally bitten back and lost his rag then I’m not surprised. I hope people are not trying to sport with our intelligence by suggesting that there was no provocation that led to such a remark. I have found no problem whatsoever in working with Yioryos
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can’t agree with that and respectfully suggest if that’s your take, you’re part of the problem too
it’s one thing to bite back, to react with sweat words, flick the v-sign in front of kids etc, my gripe isn’t with that really. it’s more with... “it’s my club not your’s”
that isn’t a slip of the tongue. it’s evidence of a mindset
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The same individual who used to shout abuse regularly at Alan Dowson.
The same individual who former managers, players, supporters and sponsors left the club because of.
It’s always everyone else’s fault but there’s one common denominator to the club’s problems.
Time to go!
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100% this. The sheer arrogance for a chairman to repeatedly tell long-standing supporters that it’s his club not theirs is staggering. Yioryos is, at best, a custodian of an institution that has been around for well over 100 years.
I think yesterday will be good in the long-term as it’s now abundantly clear that there is no chance of working with him.
For me, I think it’s time for people to stop attending home matches and put serious thought into a new club. A Trust to take over the existing one won’t work, as there’s no prospect of it getting more than JB’s 5% of shares.
To quote Yioryos fully: “It’s my club, not yours. If you don’t like it, fuck off and start your own club.”
Edited by gekins at 08:28:27 on 13th October 2024
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“It’s my club, not yours. If you don’t like it, fuck off and start your own club.”
We need to translate this into Latin and whack it on the new badge.
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“Societas mea est, non tua. Si tibi id non placet, abi et futuis societatem tuam.”
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It's sadly clear that the chairman has gone power-crazy.
Ultimately he doesn't care if the club bombs - his only ambition for the club is to be in charge of it.
The club cannot go on like this. The club is about the supporters. The supporters may have to follow his advice and form a new club.
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Id be loath to believe that, nobody with any business acumen or a modicom of common sense would put that kind of money into a failing business, no assets and if any one has used their property as a guarantee they need to be careful. If they paid Anderson and Hayward and Winwright ,because he was still a shareholder,more than a nominal sum I would be surprised.
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It sounds like they have lent the money as a shareholders loan.
Surely the shares have a negligible value presently although I suppose if the club could return to Kingston and re-establish itself there the might be some value.
As you say I would be surprised if they paid more than a nominal value to transfer the shares,
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Let’s not forget that KBH required voting control which was never going to be acceptable even to those who used to own the shares. Unfortunately the shareholders own the equity in the club and they do not have to sell to anyone if they don’t want to. It would be a surprise if they were to sell to people they clearly dislike and have labelled toxic.
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Hey Count. I've been reasonably open over the last few days as being one of the KBH consortium, so happy to contribute here.
Not sure I understand the point you're trying to make here though?
For confirmation, we ABSOLUTELY wanted voting control (by the 2nd/3rd bid we made, less so on the 1st bid as we were finding our feet) because we could see the shambles that was unfolding. If you're going to throw a MINIMUM of £150k at something, I think it's a fair ask that the people who have already burnt through half a million pounds - with nothing to show for it - don't have control over how the next half is spent.
But feel free to disagree.
And, to reiterate before the question comes back, there we NO conditions on any return of cash to our group. Not a clue where that rumour came from. Our red lines were to stop the unnecessary draw down of AFCW money and that our money was put into the CLUB, not the outgoing or current directors.
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I am not disagreeing and I am not sure why you think I am or I would.
I am merely pointing out that KBH wanted control of the club. This is rarely mentioned by anyone. As I suspected Mr Bangs has confirmed this was a reason why the the shareholders at the time did not proceed with a discussion.
Of course it is perfectly fine for KBH to require voting control and indeed put other conditions around what was a well thought out proposition. But it is not incumbent on the shareholders to agree to sell shares to anyone.
As it happens I completely welcome the more constructive tone of this thread and the involvement of Mr Bangs on it. I think the time has come to have a supporters trust taking a stake in the club which would again take matters forward constructively and positively and enable a wider group of interested parties to be involved.
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Business is business where ever money is concerned selling to the devil .
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Hi Count. You do chat a lot of total shit.
Yes we wanted control - as Yioryos now has control. What’s the difference exactly? We could have got control if the recent people who’ve sold their shares had sold to us, not Yioryos and Jim.
That was their decision: John Fenwick and Mark Anderson.
The only difference is we would have put way more money into the club and united everyone.
However, John wanted his mate Jim in charge and Mark wanted the £10k extra for his shares.
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Don’t you realise that your reply “you chat a lot of total shit?” is toxic and unacceptable?
Your further comments just confirm what I have said - it is up to the shareholders to decide what to do with their shares and they decided not to deal with KBH.
We now have a shareholder offering to transfer his shares to a properly constituted supporters trust which is a big step forward overnight so may I suggest we debate that instead of savaging people trying to contribute to the debate as to how to go forward?
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Count,
Be careful, coming on here with you're sensible postings, you could get banned for things like that!😁😉
Also I believe some members of KBH would not sign NDAs. So you wouldn't want to have people divulging business dealings to all and sundry with no redress on the Board.
COME ON YOU Ks!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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It is undoubtedly true to say that the Board would not want people divulging their secrets. We might have found out their lies over the Wombles money sooner...
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Your mate’s a liar. That’s just not true.
And by the way - the idea that the previous board wouldn’t even consider sharing any financial data without insisting on an NDA is kind of remarkable in itself isn’t it?
What highly confidential information could possibly be in the accounts of a small non league football club? I wonder…
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Count,
Be careful, coming on here with you're sensible postings, you could get banned for things like that!😁😉
Also I believe some members of KBH would not sign NDAs. So you wouldn't want to have people divulging business dealings to all and sundry with no redress on the Board.
1. The forum isn’t China or North Korea, no one’s going to get banned for expressing their opinions.
2. Do you have proof some would not sign a NDA
See you Tuesday or next Saturday & have a good red of the weekend
#COYKs
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Hi Ollie,
To answer your questions;
1) This was a "tongue in cheek" comment illustrated by the winking emoji.
2) Since when has proof ever been needed to post on here?
Sadly I won't be able to make the game on Tuesday (work commitments) but hopefully see you on Saturday.👍
COME ON YOU Ks!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Newt
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Not a lot at all. You'd have to ask Anderson and Hayward how much they let the idiot pay for them.
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As much as they could squeeze out of him.
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Well one offered us his shares for 20k. Can't say how many shares it was though
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