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Ground grading/Promotion
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I’ve seen various posts and heard various discussions about what would happen next season if we did manage to win promotion with regards to the ground situation.
Some have suggested that even if we did gain promotion that we would not be able to accept the position at the next level due to the current ground grading at Rayne’s Park Vale.
Does anyone know what the definitive answer on this as I’ve also heard there may be a years grace period for the correct ground grading to be implemented?
It would also be interesting to know from an RPV perspective given they are also chasing promotion.
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Get promotion first I'm sure the league would smile kindly on us.
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RPV say if one of the teams went up the necessary work would be undertaken
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But who would pay for the upgrade,if it was us would we pay for it
with only the one season left on the present agreement, if that was
The case then I guess we would look at a long term stay or a move
toward part ownership .
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If I were a tenant in a rented property, I wouldn't pay for my landlord to improve the property.
If my landlord significantly improved the property, I could understand being asked to pay an increased rent.
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If I were a tenant in a rented property, I would make sure I understood whether I was signing up to a tenant repairing lease or a landlord repairing lease before I signed up!
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If you were asking your landlord to pay for improvements you needed,whilst letting it be known you where actively looking to leave maybe that might be a wishful thinking or a large hike in rent to cover costs might be asked for?
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If I was in a rented property and I was the one asking to improve the property, I would would fully expect the landlord to say, “Fine. If you want the property improved, you pay for the improvements.” This is the answer we will probably get from RPV if we win promotion and they don’t. After all there is no incentive for RPV to spend the many thousands of pounds necessary to improve the ground grading until they have to i.e. when they achieve promotion.
Indeed if it is correct that we will not be given a season’s grace period to make any ground improvements, RPV would have to rush to undertake the work which could also push up the cost and is a further disincentive to do it unless we pay for it. I have always maintained that it was yet another catastrophic error by the Board to sign a two year lease at a ground not graded for step 3 football. I think this could come back to bite us if we were to achieve promotion this season.
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I was in a rented property and I was the one asking to improve the property, I would would fully expect the landlord to say, “Fine. If you want the property improved, you pay for the improvements.” This is the answer we will probably get from RPV if we win promotion and they don’t.
Indeed. This is exactly the answer that RPV gave me last night.
I have always maintained that it was yet another catastrophic error by the Board to sign a two year lease at a ground not graded for step 3 football. I think this could come back to bite us if we were to achieve promotion this season.
How much more of the Wombles money will they spend this time?
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Not only will the Board need to spend yet more of the Wombles money on the ground for us to be elible to play at step 3, they will be upgrading a ground we don’t own. In addition, we only have an agreement to play there for the 25/26 season.
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Spoke to someone regarding this last night.
Apparently it's a simple if we get promoted we would have to pay the costs to upgrade the ground if we wanted to use it at the level above (unless of course RPV get promoted also)
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Many landlords will be grateful just to have good tenants. In George, Jim, Ben and John the committee at Raynes Park Vale know the have a great bunch of guys who won't be trashing the place / running a drug den.
Why not spend a few pounds and keep them on board?
I have every confidence that the board of Kingstonian has made plans for our return to Step 3 football.
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I think RPV would pay,
but that said I think it inconceivable to think that (after voluntary relegation the season before) if K's were to be promoted that then - and only then - would the K's board think about how to get the most for their money.
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The Board have been consistently very good at getting the most OUT of the AFCW money.
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I could be wrong but someone mentioned that only RPV will gain the grace period (as it's their ground) and as we groundshare and could therefore move we wouldn't get a grace period.
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Just out of interest (it may have been mentioned on here before) what is actually needed to upgrade Grand Drive from a Step 4 ground to a Step 3 ground?
The difference in facilities, turnstiles etc between RPV & Casuals doesn't feel like it is a great chasm. Seating capacity also can't be too different between RPV's main stand that is slim but goes back a few rows to Casuals main stand that runs most of the length of the touchline but only goes 3 or 4 rows back. More powerful floodlights maybe?
The terracing down the side next to the park is a little rough I suppose, but not much worse than the terracing opposite the main stand at Tooting.
I've not seen the dressing rooms etc in either ground & I know there is a minimum m² in size for home/away/match officials rooms per step... if that's the problem then yeah it could be costly as it's a knock down/rebuild kind of job.
I get the point of the conversation is more who should pay for it rather than what it might cost/entail but it would be good to have an vague idea of how many more womblebucks could potentially be spaffed up the wall in due course.
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Looking at the Ground Grading Requirements, it isn't a massive difference between Step 3 and Step 4.
The main differences are around capacity rather than other facilities:
Step 3 - minimum capacity 1,950 of which 500 must be covered including at least 250 seats
Step 4 - minimum capacity 1,300 of which 300 must be covered including at least 150 seats
The other differences are number of turnstiles (3 for Step 3, 2 for Step 4) number of press seats (4 for Step 3, 2 for Step 4) and number of public urinals (4 for Step 3, 2 for Step 4). All of these seem deliverable fairly cheaply, if they aren't already in place.
Other requirements, including everything related to floodlights, players changing rooms and officials changing rooms, are the same for Steps 3 and 4.
So the sticking points are likely to be number of seats and number of covered areas. I can't find anywhere online the current RPV capacity, the number of seats or the extent of the 'covered capacity'.
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The ground capacity is 1500.
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heard that Vale are building 2 stands either side of dugouts
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