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Whether by design or not, unfortunately Scott, his management team and some of our senior players have been left with the impression that some fans want Scott to fail. Scott fears they would not want his possible success to reflect well on the club’s owners.
It was noticeable on Saturday that support for the team seemed muted.
All I can say is that if we have this wrong then prove it by getting behind Scott and his players. Surely you can find a way of doing this, even if you are not confident in the strategy of the the club’s Directors .
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What you are saying is taken as gospel, support for the manager and team is undeniable ,where this has come from I can't say it isn't evident to me at the games,if there is a faction in that vein of thought I haven't seen it.What I have seen is continued disruption off the pitch ,a lack of participation by any of the directors except you and I question what any of you are doing at the club, if you had any love or feeling for the club you would hand it over to people who do love and want it to succeed,as clearly that is not your ambition.Having been stripped of everything by the other scurrilous directors,Anderson Winwright and Fenwick there can be little left to gain,unless you can see a way to skin the escrow account. A word to Scott and the team,we are all right behind you.
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I have to keep re-reading this to check if it's real and actually happened. It was always going to be tough to beat Yioryos's response to Simon Lane's departure but this board have surpassed themselves in obtuse and tone deaf messaging.
The height of deranged arrogance that the club felt they could turn down comms expertise from fans who wanted to get involved when they churn out this sort of thing.
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RPV keeper confirmed the KS directors message was their team talk
The opposition manager came over but our own manager can't.
I'm sure Scott thought all of us paid to watch us lose as "the fans want"
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"RPV keeper confirmed the KS directors message was their team talk"
Can't wait to see the mental gymnastics & deflection required to pass this blame onto the fans.
Accountability is clearly their kryptonite.
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“Would it not in that case
Be simpler for the Directors
To dissolve the fans
And elect another?”
(Apologies to Brecht - die Lösung)
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Honestly, I now support Evesham United.
I've completely checked out from Kingstonian. The entity (as in the one you are a Director of on companies house) is on life support and I decided a while ago that I'm not willing to put any more money in (either as a player sponsor when that was still a thing, or punter) to prop it up.
It's a sad end to 25 years of support, either regular (when I still lived locally) or occasional/long distance.
If and when there is either a complete change in ownership or a new club that actually represents my hometown and is a genuinely fun and engaging place to be again, I'll be back in a heartbeat.
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Come to Guernsey as a last hurrah...
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Well Mr B. It would seem you have disturbed a nest,not of vipers or enemies,but of supporters.I am sure that the wasn't intended as it only produced much more negativity and bad feeling.
The ways and certainly the attitudes of the Board toward supporters is to condemn but various supporters do themselves no favours with so much derision and almost hatred and some appalling language.
That said we need a coming together however unlikely that would appear to be and a tolerance of each other as for crying out load we are all here for one reason.
Neither side is coming out well but it's going forward we have to concentrate on for the love and future of our great club.Maybe a social evening or simply an olde fashioned end of season party to come someway together
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Whether by design or not, unfortunately Scott, his management team and some of our senior players have been left with the impression that some fans want Scott to fail. Scott fears they would not want his possible success to reflect well on the club’s owners.
It was noticeable on Saturday that support for the team seemed muted.
All I can say is that if we have this wrong then prove it by getting behind Scott and his players. Surely you can find a way of doing this, even if you are not confident in the strategy of the the club’s Directors .
I normally wouldn’t get involved with this bs but this has angered me, everyone here has Scot’s backing all season. Yes some things we have questioned but that’s normal of football. I would keep this quiet but I think this is worth mentioning now, I personally feel that I can’t speak to Scot in fear I’ll get accused of harassment (I have spoken to him a few times but I try to keep it to a minimum just to cover my back side) that in my opinion is wrong. We know given previous experiences that anything that goes wrong? the board will have no hesitation but blame the fans. We got blamed for Casuals departure, blamed for Scot’s break in October. All which is total bs.
The club also seems to not appreciate the fans that have travelled to multiple homes grounds & away, instead the people that pay for the 12th man & friends of Kingstonian scheme are more respected. I don’t know if you & co are aware of the amount of Ks fans travelling to Guernsey away on the Easter weekend, especially when it’s a costly time to be flying.
Hopefully your post hasn’t pushed fans away but I fear it will & again still get blamed. Anyway see you & who ever decides to go tonight, tonight
#ItScotWeTrust #COYKs
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Great point on Guernsey. If there's another team in this league that is taking more fans to that fixture I'd be very surprised.
Edited by MC at 08:07:06 on 25th March 2025
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leaving the really poor content of the above post aside for a minute, I think the question is good
Who do we support?
Is it the continuation of Kingstonian FC Ltd. ?
or is it the entity of a football club playing in Kingston and being at the heart of the community. if it’s not *by* the fans, then at least *with* the fans. rather than *despite* the fans
of course in an ideal world it’s both, but there’s no crossover in this Venn diagram anymore. there will be a time, when people will have to choose one or the other
and I’m afraid if your post is symbolic of the attitude of the board, then you John are very much part of the reason I, and others, are keen to financially support a new vehicle for Kingston’s football club.
what a waste
what a shame
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I’ve been against a phoenix club … but when your loyalty is questioned like this, I wonder if my loyalty is misplaced
Maybe time for “benvenuto” to AFCK
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John, if this was intended to be a rallying cry to the troops, I fear it has back-fired and done little more than stir up a hornets nest, judging by the responses in this thread. Saturday was, in my humble opinion, a bad day at the office. We were beaten by a better team on the day.
Villa brought a large contingent that gathered in one corner and sang their hearts out as their team gathered momentum and took the lead. Quite possibly Ks fans were outnumbered but to suggest our supporters were not singing is untrue. There just wasn’t much for our fans to sing about, particularly in the second half. Ks fans do sing and shout, and the roar when we took the lead v Harrow was amazing.
I sat next to you for much of the first half - I did not notice you singing or shouting. For that matter, nor was I! You are entitled to support the team as you wish, as are all the fans, but no one can be forced to sing or shout. To suggest that the fans want to see Scott and the team is utter nonsense. I think most of us feel disillusioned at the lack of direction and lack of communication from the board, despite previous assurances.
As for NLD, it felt drab. The increased numbers were mostly visitors from Hanworth. Someone mentioned on this thread “where are the youth and next generation”. Anyone walking through the turnstile on Saturday must have felt like they’d entered the Chitty Chitty Bang Bang village 5 mins after the child catcher’s roundup. There is no youth section to speak of. The only children in attendance were, I believe, the chair’s and relatives of players.
I do hope this missive has not been sent out to pave the way for an exodus, as some have suggested further down. One bad game should not cause anyone genuinely interested in success to throw in the towel.
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John, how has Scott felt about his own dad slagging players off on Twitter or our chairman abusing one of our players, loudly enough for everyone to hear, at Binfield?
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"Patriotism is the last refuge of a scoundrel".
We are truly witnessing the last days of a dying empire.
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I hope we don’t go up. Which is a shame as I’ve enjoyed watching Scott and his team, have stood behind the goal, sung songs and cheered when we’ve scored.
But promotion and relegation, and what division we’re in, are short term things. The threat to the club from Yioryos and the other directors is existential and is far more important.
Last season we voluntarily got relegated from the Premier division. This season we’re striving to return to that level. It makes no sense and just shows how ridiculous the “direction” of the club has become.
It’s such a shame, because I love the club and enjoy watching this team. But for this club to survive, we need all of the sycophants to realise what damage Yiorgos is doing to it. Promotion will give them a reason not to notice.
SACK THE BOARD
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The way I see it is that Scott is the manager & I can safely say that I & the people I go to K’s with want him & the team to succeed regardless of what I/we think of how the club is run.
Yes the Hanworth fans were loud on Saturday & the group of K’s fans behind the goal were singing as was I.
But not all fans sing & chant & the K’s fans are spread out around the ground whereas the Hanworth fans were located all in one area.
Also they only started singing, chanting & getting loud once they had scored before that they were very quiet.
I became very nervous & stopped singing/chanting but was shouting non stop encouragement as were many K’s fans around me.
When your 1-0 down to a play off rival & things don’t seem to be happening on the pitch the nerves on behalf of the team kick in & singing/chanting goes out of the window.
We are at the business end of the season now & we’ve seen our 2nd place position come under immense pressure.
K’s have stopped scoring freely & games we should win on paper are now becoming losses or draws.
I truly believe that the fans are feeling the pressure as no doubt Scott, the coaching staff & team are.
But I think we are all adult enough to recognise that we love Kingstonian FC & we want the team & every facet of the club to do well regardless of what’s happening at boardroom level.
Scott, the coaching staff & the team should be in no doubt that i/we wish them complete success & hope that we clinch promotion……otherwise why are they playing & why are we supporting them?
During the match last week vs Guernsey once we went 1 up the nerves lessened & when we went 2 up they virtually dissipated but from the off I could hear chanting & singing coming from the K’s fans as did my Mrs who came to her first ever football match & loved it, she came on Saturday as well & again regardless of the score line had a wonderful time.
The fans are with Scott & the team 100% & yes the Hanworth fans were loud on Saturday but I don’t think they would’ve been if we had gone 1 up & then won the game.
It was a pretty even match up to the Hanworth goal & it showed because as I said previously they were virtually silent up until that point, they were feeling the nerves as well as us K’s fans & we all knew it was going to be a tight affair.
Saturday’s gone we go again tomorrow against RPV 💪🏻💪🏻💪🏻
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Gosh John, I'm sorry to read this.
If I write a song for tomorrow along the lines of "We love you Scott but Yioryos is a prick" will that be enough, do you think?
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Very witty …….. but the problem is that Scott and his players see the Yioryos and the directors as being their main supporters. It is not us who have upset them . I think we need a discussion about some fresh approaches moving forward
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I think we need a discussion about some fresh approaches moving forward
Amen. Shall we discuss the German model?
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Speaking purely personally, I favour this approach . I also think that if we are in favour of fan ownership, then action needs to be taken to set up a supporters trust.i would be very happy to support this. To be honest without this, it sounds like a lot of waffle to me.
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The last supporters trust failed with the balance of funds being handed to Mark Anderson(16000) pounds ,if I remember rightly for the upgrade ot lights at the training ground,they still use the lights Jim Cochrane put in 2005, I expect Anderson and Winwright enjoyed a good holiday with the money.
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Over a year ago, I affiliated the SC to the Football Supporters Association as a first step in setting up a Supporters Trust. Then I wrote this (below) and nothing has happened since to change my mind.
..that is where my work on forming an ST will stop. Because my personal opinion is that we should NOT create an ST.
At least, not at the moment.
The new Chairman is not in favour of fan ownership; he has confirmed to the SC that he will NOT allow an ST to acquire 51% of the shares in the Club.
"Misplaced Trust"
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A bit of a moot point if there isn’t a supporters trust.
In any case although Yioryos is the person with the most shares he does not own the club.
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But he told us at Hayes that it was his club, John.
Are you saying he was lying?!
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although Yioryos is the person with the most shares he does not own the club
Excellent. He should fuck off and start his own.
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I’m sorry this is complete rubbish the fans are behind the squad . The fans have lost completely confidence of our board members running this club so I feel your using the fans as an excuse and blaming the fans again, but we can all fuck off it’s George is Club isn’t it? Which he’s gonna run into the ground which loyal fans are not prepared to watch.
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I want there to be a Kingstonian Football Club for my children, and their children, to support. That is my primary concern.
So how will the squad be funded if Scott continues to do an outstanding job and the team win promotion? And to be clear, how will the budget be funded without further raiding the AFCW piggy bank?
Under these directors, we effectively took voluntary relegation the last time we were at that level.
What has changed and why should we enthusiastically cheer for it?
If there’s a good answer to this, I’m all ears. I would love nothing more than to really really care about results on the pitch again! We are all football fans and that’s what we all want. Shame on this and the last board of directors for taking that away from so many people.
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Scott’s team is not funded by the Escrow fund from AFCW. Not one single penny has been spent on this. This year we raised well over double (as donations) what the KBH consortium had offered as loans. Use of the Escrow fund is no longer permitted ( I personally agree that it never should have been). If we win the play offs the directors and sponsors will again fund the team.
I wonder if there is a way of having discussions where we can genuinely move forward? If you would be up for having a chat about this let me know. I don’t think there is anything to loose.
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... The board ignore pretty much every email from the SC (can't remember the last one that got responded to) even the one where a third party offered mediation between the SC and the board?
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I understand that Damo has offered to act as facilitator for a meeting. Sounds like a good idea.
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"what the KBH consortium had offered as loans"
I'm concerned that this untruth about the terms of investment, which Yiorgios has long spread, is being treated as fact by you.
As for Scott's perception: we support Ks. We attend matches. We sing the Corner Song. We see our friends. If NLD was muted, maybe it was the performance or the club's failure to promote the game in any meaningful way.
It's very bad timing to advertise this perception just when the team is mired in poor form. It's hardly a no-excuses culture.
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Not loans, investment.
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Not this again.
It wasn’t loans. How many times.
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It said directors loans in what I saw but if if it wasn’t actually the intention that’s all to the good .
The simple fact is that we are not using AFCW money on the playing budget. If you guys would like a discussion about where we are and next steps let us know. What have we got to loose by talking.
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Can you guarantee the full board attendance at the meeting?
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“It said directors loans in what I saw”
Wow. I’m now very intrigued as to what you saw.
Because the offer to buy the club didn’t say this.
So has someone been faking offer letters to “prove” that we were only offering loans? Is this where this has come from?
Absolutely nothing would surprise me at this point to be honest.
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Totally agree, Alastair - KBH have been transparant and published all our correspondance, so genuinely fascinted by what John has seen.
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What have we got to loose by talking.
The Supporters Club has been trying to talk to the Board. You even rejected an approach from the FSA to broker a meeting. Now I hear that Damo is trying to arrange a meeting, and Yioryos wants to insist on written questions submitted a week in advance..!
Maybe Scott didn't read our Annual Report on the Chairman's first year in charge. Maybe he didn't read our Report into Failing Attendances, the year before.
https://comeonuks.wordpress.com/documents/
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here's a lie,
oh it's not true. well that's all to the good.
How about "Sorry I've repeatedly spread this nonsense"
dear oh dear, John.
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John here quite excellently showing the need for someone with comms and marketing expertise 👌
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John here quite excellently showing the need for someone with comms and marketing expertise 👌
💯 Could’ve organised an event with fans and actually met them, could’ve done an interview and rallied the troops. Instead it reads like he’s ran to the teacher and got the board to tell fans off.
Based on… a hunch?
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No, I our board can’t organise a piss up in a brewery lack of communication to the fans
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Sorry he and the players feel that way (if indeed they do and this isn't just a somewhat crass way of "rallying the troops" so to speak) but I don't really care if we beat RPV tomorrow.
This is a club being run into the ground, wandering South London with no end to that in sight, doing nothing for and having no relevance to the people of Kingston whose club this is meant to be and treating the few remaining people even half interested with outright contempt or indifference. What happens on the field and whether we play in the premier or div one of the Isthmian a fringe concern if not wholly irrelevant.
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"Please post something like..."
We must be in crap form - the board have got their heads together and decided to blame the fans again.
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It was noticeable on Saturday that support for the team seemed muted.
All I can say is that if we have this wrong then prove it by getting behind Scott and his players. Surely you can find a way of doing this, even if you are not confident in the strategy of the the club’s Directors .
Couple of points of observation here:
Haworth Villa absolutely outsang the home fans IMO, they seemed to have more fans in the stadium than we did DESPITE it being NLD which compared to other teams we did not market it very well nor have success with the offer (at least that's what it looked like)
On your second paragraph fans who spend their money on a Saturday and midweek nights is what you call backing the team despite not agreeing with the boards strategy.
Some fans are already alienated, this comes across as another way to alienate them further
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Honestly Bangs, words fail me. No one has EVER wished Scott to fail. Just because we don’t like you and your cronies, doesn’t mean we wish anything bad towards Scott and the squad.
All the years you, and I, have been watching Ks, not once have I ever seen you behind the goal singing. How dare you call us muted. If I pay my entry (which is more than can be said for the chairman and what seems like his freeloading family tree) then I shall do as I please once I enter the ground.
You challenge us to get behind the team, well as a board member, I challenge you and the fellow board to give us something to sing about.
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Welll said Ian
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On singing behind the goal - your memory is simply defective.
That aside, do you support the Scott and his team ? It is a simple question! I’m not asking if you support the directors . These are two separate questions .
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Of course we support Scott and the team! We used to support Dynan at one point ffs
My biggest take-away is that you didn’t deny the chairman and his family are freeloaders! Even the guys on the turnstile say “if your surname is Vasilaras then come on through” whilst rolling their eyes…
Of course there’s perks the people at the top should
Get, but Yioryos bringing a minibus of freeloaders each game really is milking the cow.
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What a load of rubbish. Yioryos and his family will have paid many times per person more than you have paid, He does this to support the club. You are entitled to disagree and criticise but it is simply wrong and offensive to call this freeloading.
I get in for free but then this “perk “ has cost me many thousands of pounds. You are wholly entitled to criticise our strategy but please do not start fabricating tales about free loading .
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please do not start fabricating tales
Morning John, hope you're well. Please can I ask the same of yourself too, especially around KBH funding, thank you.
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So you’re a freeloader as well now Bangs? Didn’t realise that. Thanks for clarifying.
Anyway, give us something to sing about and don’t you dare tell us again how we should conduct ourself after we pay our ticket fee! Absolute cheek coming from someone who just waltzes in.
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Just silly nonesense. We get in because we have paid many thousands of pounds to support the running of the club . You may think things could be run better. That is your prerogative but to call this freeloading is simply wrong .
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But Yioryos is freeloading.
He has taken many, many multiples of £££ more out of the AFCW escrow than he has put into the club.
That’s irrefutable.
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Well that’s not entirely so . The Clubs Directors took several hundreds of thousands out from the Escrow accounts to help run the club and it is true that Yioryos was a director for some of that time. Personally, I agree that this was a mistake.
However, from last season, it was no longer possible to draw on the Escrow account for general running costs. Since he became chair, Yioryos paid more money into the club than has come from the Escrow account.
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The timing of the block on escrow money coincided with the two rats scuttling away Anderson and Fenwick. ?
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How much?
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Well that’s not entirely so . The Clubs Directors took several hundreds of thousands out from the Escrow accounts to help run the club and it is true that Yioryos was a director for some of that time. Personally, I agree that this was a mistake.
However, from last season, it was no longer possible to draw on the Escrow account for general running costs. Since he became chair, Yioryos paid more money into the club than has come from the Escrow account.
Come on John, that's bollocks. It's completely disingenuous. A smaller playing budget this season would have meant money spent on players and running costs could have gone towards rent, meaning less, if any, money needed to be taken from the escrow account. To suggest there's no link between the two is a nonsense.
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No. I was responding to the often repeated faulsehood that we have used the Escrow account to directly fund the playing budget. Speaking purely personally, this season I paid an amount of greater than offered by KBH but this was very specifically to enhance the budget and bring Scott in . If the plan was for a smaller budget with no ambition, I would not have bothered.
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Bangsy seems to be arguing the case on his own, no support from the other scoundrels ?
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Hi John. I very much doubt this. The KBH offer was a MINIMUM CASH COMMITMENT based on what we believed the shortfall to be from the very little information that was provided. It was a minimum amount. It did not include the additional significant commercial benefits the group also would have brought to the table. It is inconceivable that the pension you're donating to keep Yioryos in power has a greater value than the KBH group.
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but that's the same thing. that money you put in could, for example, have gone towards rent, rather than playing budget. The directors, as a whole, have chosen to prioritise the playing budget over the womble money. The pot of money used for each is irrelevant.
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Not at all …. You are entirely wrong because if that was the equation, I would simply not have chosen to chip in or become a director. I would not have been interested in personally funding the cost of the ground share. If we are to be successful in pulling in the potential new investors we are talking to, it is likely to be on the basis of an ambition to expand and develop
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that's exactly my point. you've chosen to prioritise the playing budget over preserving what's left of the womble money, both collectively and as individuals. (obviously what you choose to do with your money is obviously up to you)
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Yes, I did. However , I was personally only interested in helping fund the playing budget and bringing in a quality manager. Your premise is a totally false equation because what I chose to put in was only available (from me) on the basis of supporting the playing budget. If the Club had chosen a different path as you appear to advocate, I probably would personally not have chosen to involve myself as a director.
The essential point is that the amount of money available from directors sponsors and other funders is not finite but is dependent on a range of factors and manypeople will not simply put in a sum of money with no say in what it is spent on.
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Well it was true that Hanworth Villa had good travelling support. Kind of the opposite of when we beat them away. You conveniently ignore the main point I raised - which is Scott’s perception of people wanting him to fail. If this is not the case then people need to make this clear by getting behind the team.
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Jon all the fans are behind the team and Scott why would we want him to fail? Be real it’s this board that we don’t want fact!!
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What have the supporters said or done, actual words that has given that perception? Some evidence based feedback
Because on here and in the stands people are only full of praise of the squad.
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John where the hell has this perception come from? I’ve not met any supporters who have said anything like this.
Is this more shit stirring from the board against the supporters?
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No it’s what Scott is saying - not the just the directors. When Yioryos reported this he was accused of lying but this is absolutely not the case. If that section of fans want to persuade Scott of their support then tell him and his players.
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Honestly I would say the fans are behind the team and Scott just cause they don't sing at one game being hamworth villa on sat
I do not doubt the above at all.
Just not behind the board, which is never going to change unless the board does which is not going to happen.
That is my thoughts
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Baffled where this has come from at this stage of the season.
I can't imagine anyone wants Scott or his players to fail.
Equally I don't think Scott or his players can realise how confusing it is for fans to be told that we effectively deliberately got ourselves relegated last season...only to be told that this season it's imperative that we go up again!
But it's a nonsense anyway. With the greatest of respect, no-one will consider it a 'Yiorg success' if we get promotion back to the division the club has bloody been in for 15-odd years!
It would, however, be a success on behalf of Scott and the players. As others have said, if the club wants noisier home support then maybe let's have some effort at marketing the club, and getting us out there. No-one in Kingston knows we exist any more.
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"But it's a nonsense anyway. With the greatest of respect, no-one will consider it a 'Yiorg success' if we get promotion back to the division the club has bloody been in for 15-odd years!"
I think you're wrong there, the Chairman will think it's his success, not Scott & the team, you need to remember it's his club and no one else's.
Regarding team performances I think Alex Kelly & Jacob Munting are greatly missed. Also does anyone know what the board are up to regarding training facilities it's not for Scott to sort this out & put his hand in his pocket to pay for them
as someone on twitter posted he did earlier in the season.
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Could John B not funding the trading facilities given his investment in the Club?
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I became a director this June and so was not involved in decision sabout last season. As far as I can tell, the previous board was running out of money available for 2023/24. The team was already significantly struggling when the budget was cut . Personally I don’t think this made any difference. We were already sunk.
It is Scott and some of his players who think some want them to fail. This Forum is awash with negativity and very little positivity about the team Such a puzzle to wonder where Scott and his players got this notion. As I said to Alastair, if there is interest in having a chat about where we are, do let us know.
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Plenty of interest,if a full board.
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I just don't get this at all.
Everyone wants the team to do well.
A lot of us fans have been very much looking forward to the tail-end of this season - Leatherhead, Farnham, Guernsey, the derby tomorrow.
And now we are told we want them to fail and we're being negative.
Sorry but if there's any negativity in the coming weeks then I think this very discussion will be to blame.
Completely needless.
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Every supporter I know wants Scott and the team to succeed and are 100% behind them.
However, Scott has left the Club once (at least in part blaming the supporters then) and I can’t help but wonder if these comments are laying the groundwork for him (and some of the players) to move on at the end of this season. Is he a particularly sensitive soul (very unusual in football management) or is he looking for an exit?
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I feel like something is coming too and this is the ground work being laid for one of the below:
1. Groundshare termination
2. Manager leaving
3. New ground falling through (blaming the fans)
4. Budget cut
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Well, if any of these things happen , this would be the responsibility of the Directors. Let’s have the meeting that Damo has offered to facilitate and we can discuss these aspects.
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With a full board .
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Sorry but if there's any negativity in the coming weeks then I think this very discussion will be to blame.
Completely needless.
Agree completely, people have got behind the team all season and whatever Harris and the board's 'perception' is they're way wide of the mark.
Yes, we sing, we make an effort, we get behind the team, etc. But if there's less atmosphere than there was 5, 10 or 20 years ago it's just another reflection of how the club has been hollowed out and we've barely added any new fans in that time. So many of us who were loud and made an atmosphere in our teens or 20s are now in our 30s or 40s and have moved away, had kids, etc. We can't come to every game like we used to and are probably less energetic when we do. But where is the next generation of young Ks fans?
We've basically lost a whole generation because the club has been so bad at marketing itself for so long now. There's no group of new, young Ks fans inventing new songs or bringing youthful energy. Then add to that things like there barely being any grounds in this league with a proper terrace and what do you expect the atmosphere to be like on a cold Tuesday night when we're drawing away to Binfield or Badshot Lea?
A couple of other things. One, it's amazing to see John continuously post about the value of talking when many of us have spent years calling for regular fans' forums, in which time I think there have been a grand total of two. Yes, let's have a fans' forum.
And secondly - given John is talking about perceptions - these things cut both ways. My perception is that in all the time I've supported Ks I've never known a group of players/staff who have made less effort to acknowledge us - celebrate goals in front of us, come over and applaud at the end, etc. Even players who played a handful of games under Dynan or Lane would were better at it. But maybe that's just my perception, all I can say is that if I have this wrong then prove it.
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The suggestion made was for Damo Carlin to help facilitate a discussion between the Directors and the Supporters Club Committee which seemed a potentially helpful starting point.I also asked whether people who were involved in the KBH grouping would like an informal chat? It is not a trick question.
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if there is interest in having a chat about where we are, do let us know.
We're interested. Let's talk.
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Thanks for this. As I mentioned to Jamie B, Damo has offered to assist in facilitating a discussion……. And this seems to be a helpful suggestion . Let’s have a conversation about making this happen…… after all there is nothing to be lost by talking.
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Jaw Jaw better than war War.
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Can we bring a lie detector to the meeting?
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Please do but it might be more productive to focus on sensible discussion.
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Problem is John when you’ve been constantly lied to what do you expect?
You’ve even continued the lies about the KBH, shame on you! You know what they say about people who believe their own lies.
What will actually come of these talks? More of the same? This isn’t the days of when you, him or even Jim ran the supporters club and cosied up to the board. We represent the supporters. You can see the feeling of supporters in this thread alone.
If what you have said is true and it appears you as a board have turned the manager and players against the supporters then yeah it’s just another reason you should all stand down. Yeah keeping bragging about the thousands of pounds you’ve pissed away to fund this ego project.
I’m amazed you’ve used the word ‘strategy’ in this thread! What is this so called strategy? Doing more of the same? Pissing off the supporters? Turning the manager and players against the supporters? As is evidenced it’s all a ‘managed decline’ something fans have warned about for 10 years plus.
So yeah me and Rex are happy to meet the board on behalf of supporters but you need to go back and tell your pals on the board that there better be something on the table or we’ll just be wasting our breath!
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I'm just adding my post to the bottom of the thread, rather than as a direct reply to any particular post.
How utterly pathetic the OP here is. All season, especially since thay week or so that Scott quit & got reinstated, it has been stated many MANY times that we support Scott, we support his players, we support the football club of Kingston, we DO NOT & WILL NOT support this board of directors. The inability of any individual to grasp this incredibly very simple concept is not an excuse to go off on one about it.
If Scott hasn't taken 5 seconds to read anything on here or speak to anyone to confirm this, then I'm sorry but that lack of due diligence is unfortunately on him, not us the fans. Or maybe its on you John? Maybe it is on you & your cohorts? Maybe you haven't sat with him & said "Scott mate, don't be silly they clearly love you... it is us on the board are the problem & we're such a big problem that it is going to overshadow everything else at the moment" no of course you haven't because that would involve recognising that as a whole YOU ARE THE PROBLEM, not the fans. You lot will never ever do that will you because the solution has to be to remove the problem & you won't all be removing yourselves as it is (& I quote from the apparently unfallible psalms of your dear leader here) your club & we should fuck off & start our own.
So to the main question of who do I support? Good question that is. You guys in the ivory tower make it hard for me to say I support Kingstonian. Not Scott, he's a great manager. Not the players, they are great too, super proud of them for cracking on in lieu of the boards incompetence (see what I did there? I showed my support for Scott while criticising you... although im sure you'll just read it as me criticising Scott & go tell him the fans are being mean again).
The only reason you all on the current board are not all collectively considered the worst custodians of Kingstonian in all of the history of this club is solely because Kholsa existed & even with that fact you guys ain't a considered as distant second behind him.
Every single day, every single piece of nonsense that rains on us from above, pushes us closer to a breakaway club. I'm now fully sold on the idea. We ain't getting this club back from the ego's that run it. Trying to do so is valiant & courageous but at the same time it's quite clearly pissing in the wind. Anyone else seriously entertaining the idea of a breakaway, let's chat.
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What about the board that led to scenario allowing Khsola to take advantage?
If it's true as some have posted on here that a boards is just custodians and their responsibility is to ensure a club's continued existence the failures begin pre Khsola.
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Fair point, but personally I rate them better than the current incumbents imo.
Yes, they set the scene for all future owners, bar Jimmy Cochrane, to continue to make terrible decisions & amplify the original problems leading to where we are today... BUT... if it weren't for their shit or bust mentality we wouldn't have won the Isthmian in 1998 & therefore I probably wouldn't know what a Kingstonian is.
For all their faults, which turned out to be many, there was never such an us versus them feeling like there is now, there was no talk of breakaway clubs & no board members telling fans to fuck off & start their own club.
They were financially irresponsible, but they didn't come across as incompetent fan hating narcissists. Not from my point of view at least.
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That's all well and good that it meant you got to know of KFC. But does a brief period of success negate the failure to run the club on a sound financial footing? Which might have lead to others not being able unlike you watch KFC?
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Of course not... me saying I rate them better than the current board isn't a glowing recommendation. It's like saying I'd prefer a broken finger to a broken leg.
Regarding others having the opportunity to find K's like I did, the resulting fallout of that regime surely is a reason why others havent been as lucky as me, I won't argue against that. But if we put that fact in the appropriate category of 'people being aware of Kingstonian existing' & then we compare it to the current regime's track record on the very same subject? Like I inferred, I'm not saying they were good & I don't think they were... I'm saying I think they were better than what we currently have.
On the other subject of financial footing, personally I don't think there's much in it between that regime & the current one either. One spaffed the ground away on a dream to reach the Football League, the other (although this is more one man than all of them to be fair) has been spaffing the Womblebucks away.
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I'm no defender of the current board, no board might have been able to find a new ground within the borough. But having said that it seems that the club has suffered quite a lot of mismanagement under more than one board. For a club that were tenants of a club whose aim was always to leave Kingsmeadow ,a club that if reports are correct knew they were getting a considerable donation well in advance of having to leave Kingsmeadow the ,what seems shambolic, efforts to secure a permanent ground or groundshare would seem harder to do worse.
If it's the prime responsibility of a board to run a club in a sustainable manner then Ks might be right up there in the list of mismanagement.
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The first sensible contribution you have made Kinging,
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Well that makes it Kingting 1 v Korkyjim 0
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You need to get up early .
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Not me,retired long years -- not governed by the clock. Time suits me.
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And me probably longer than you.
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